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i REALLY! love both movies but... The clock is always ticking...


and the whole ending of the 2nd is that they went on a quest to learn the rock.

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Yes, the clock is always ticking. I've always figured that a year or so did indeed go by, then Bill and Ted went back in time to the battle of the bands to play (and before that probably went back earlier to set up the cage, the key, the gun, etc). Once they win, they go back to their present, leaving everyone else to think they disappeared for a year, only to turn up again better than ever.

That's the only way it makes sense, though of course there's no good explanation for why Denomolus's second gun suddenly materializes in his hand.

-TK

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The whole ticking clock thing never made sense in the first one. The writers just knew they needed to put a time limit on the adventure so there was a sense of urgency. But there's really no reason why if Bill and Ted can go visit their "one day in the past" selves, why they couldn't stay there over night and prepare for the report.

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<<<But there's really no reason why if Bill and Ted can go visit their "one day in the past" selves, why they couldn't stay there over night and prepare for the report.

Because "the clock is always ticking".

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What you just said makes absolutely no sense.

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<<<What you just said makes absolutely no sense.

It makes perfect sense.

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In time travel, there is no "Clock that is always ticking". In fact, in the first movie, there's no reason why they couldn't have simply stayed there in the night before and had a whole 24hrs to prepare for their report.

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<<<In time travel, there is no "Clock that is always ticking". In fact, in the first movie, there's no reason why they couldn't have simply stayed there in the night before and had a whole 24hrs to prepare for their report

Because in the movie's idea of time travel, there is some natural (physical as in laws of physics) force always linking you to your natural timeline.



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Yet this is never elaborated on or explained with consequences. There's nothing keeping them from just staying in the 1 day prior San Dimas (after talking to Rufus and their past selves) and using the extra time to do their report.

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I always assumed that was just something Rufus told them to make sure they stay focused.

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The whole ticking clock thing never made sense in the first one.


Yes, it did.

The writers just knew they needed to put a time limit on the adventure so there was a sense of urgency.


False.

But there's really no reason why if Bill and Ted can go visit their "one day in the past" selves, why they couldn't stay there over night and prepare for the report.


Yes, there is. You just don't understand it. Which is okay.

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I understand it perfectly. Since you cannot explain to me WHY they can't just stay in the one day in the past, maybe you're the one who doesn't understand it dude.

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You clearly do not understand, which is why you say "It makes no sense." Understanding something that makes no sense would suggest you're insane.

Since you cannot explain to me WHY they can't just stay in the one day in the past, maybe you're the one who doesn't understand it dude.


I didn't bother to explain it, that doesn't mean I can't. I can explain it, but I don't really want to because you are likely to dismiss any explanation I give because it's easier for you to just say it doesn't make sense.

Doing what you suggest would cause a paradox(several actually). What happens at the end of this movie does not. Someone using the handle MrRazorz explained it fairly well on the boards for the original film:

"If Future Bill and Ted appear at the Circle K to meet Present Bill & Ted, that means Present Bill and Ted are destined to later make that same stop in the journey. They have to go back and meet themselves, because they already saw themselves do it. It also implies that the rest of the journey has to happen they way we see it in the film, since they arrive back at the Circle K with the memory of it all happening that way.

"If everything they do in their journey is thus destined to happen, then the time limit makes perfect sense. Present Bill & Ted have to follow the same path through time that Future Bill & Ted did, or they create a paradox."

However, in this movie there is no paradox because this is the exact path they are meant to take. They were always broadcast world wide, and they always took off to learn to play and always returned to the moment after they left.

Though I highly doubt you'll accept this, as you seem to have already made up your mind. Which was the whole reason I didn't want to get into it in the first place.

Yet this is never elaborated on or explained with consequences.


Because the consequences are illusionary. The timeline in question in these movies is self consistent. Everything will always play out the way it's supposed to. Time travelers can only play out their predestined roles and nothing else. This movie even goes so far as to suggest that Bill and Ted being the founders of the future Utopian society was essentially God's will.

There can be no consequences to an action that's impossible to commit.

There's nothing keeping them from just staying in the 1 day prior San Dimas (after talking to Rufus and their past selves) and using the extra time to do their report.


The fact that they didn't stay one day in the past means they can't. They really only have one path to take.

Besides which, as I said to the OP, this rule does not even actually apply to this situation. The clock is always ticking rule doesn't mean they can't return moments after they left. It only means that their relative present has progressed the same amount of time. From the perspective of the present, they're 16 months older than they were when they left. But that's all it really means. Bill and Ted's relative present is 16 months in the future from the point of the Battle of the Bands.

The time limit in this movie is as artificial as it was in the first. It exists, in so far as they have to play\give their report at a certain time on a certain day. It doesn't exist in so far as they can always just go to the day they're supposed to play\give their report.

The fact that they don't spend all kinds of extra time working on their report really isn't an issue because they give an excellent presentation. So this question doesn't even need to exist.

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That rule doesn't apply to the second film. Or at least, not this specific situation. Their relative present is always moving forward, but there's nothing that actually prevents them from returning to the moment they left. As we saw in the first movie. When they return to their present, they're just older than they should be, but there's no causal violation.

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