Anyone know why there wasn't a series 4?
I'm just so curious as to why they stopped making HofE when it seems like they weren't quite done yet. Series 3 was a bit of a disappointment, the way it ended. I need closure!!
shareI'm just so curious as to why they stopped making HofE when it seems like they weren't quite done yet. Series 3 was a bit of a disappointment, the way it ended. I need closure!!
shareI hear you! There was so much unfinished, like what would happen to Norman and Tilly, and whether Evie would succeed in her efforts to keep the haute couture line.
I just don't know why they didn't at least do one or two more shows to let us know what happened. Maybe the stars wanted to move on, or there wasn't any more money. Who knows...
I hate unfinished stories. But in this case I was disappointed but not too upset, because by now, Evie has seriously got on my nerves and I am willing to stop watching the show because of her. Her story with Daniel has no appeal to me whatsoever, I seriously do not feel any sparks and could care less if they stay together or breakup. She has turned into a bitch.
shareI'm with all of you...just got left hanging at the end of Series 3. BUT...I have to say that it gives me a thrill to see Evie (Louise Lombard) on CSI every week. No, forensic detective work has nothing to do with designing Edwardian couture, but seeing Evie solve crimes in Las Vegas is more gripping than her truly unhealthy relationship with Daniel.
shareNot Edwardian couture. S1 began in 1920.
shareI vaguely remember reading that they couldnt finish filming it because many of the sets and props were damaged in a fire whilst in storage and they considered it too expensive to rebuild it all.
shareThe series was fantastic, as is most British fare. The third season of the series ended with only ten episodes instead of the contracted twelve. I had not heard the rumor about the fire. However, I did hear (don't ask me to recall where) that the budget for the sets and costumes was spiralling out of control. The storylines were also spiralling out and away from the core theme of a design house. The lack of appeal of this type of show by the masses is, sadly, a commentary on the masses themselves, and not on those of us with the taste and intelligence to follow such outstanding writing. This is not the first time a grand series has been pulled from the air. "Remember WENN" and "The Lot," both from A & E, also died a quick death despite their genius. Those are just two examples that I can quickly recall at this time. There were episodes of "Upstairs/Downstairs" that were never even shown on PBS in America. Thankfully, that series has finally been released in its entirity on DVD. The Brits may say they have learned a thing or two about acting from us (Helen Mirren in her SAG speech), but American writers still have tons to learn about writing from our smarter cousins across the Pond.
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Sorry to offend. I don't look down on my fellow countrymen nor do I elevate the Brits. With all of our reality-show crap passing for real drama, one has to search to find something of substance. Anyway, I didn't mean to begin a debate. My opinion is just that . . . my opinion, founded only in my experience, such as it is. Enjoy what you will.
shareA definite disappointment - it's obvious there was enough for at least another 2 episodes - I started watching Series 3 on Saturday and watched five episodes - after finishing up the 6th on Sunday I was absolutely shocked to discover that Series 3 consisted of only ten episodes, not 12 as as had its predecessors!
And why oh why oh why did Jean Marsh and Eileen Atkins never appear on the series? The acting in this series was uniformly excellent, but it was obvious that the budget went to sets and costumes and not name actors.
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I know my post is months behind all these others, but I started the series during the summer and finished the very final episode about an hour ago. I had already read that it had a definite unfinished ending, and how right they were. I had really grown to love the characters and the series, and Lord knows the costumes and jewelry too (I've always been a fan of costume design), but as I noticed a few mentioning, I think the storylines were starting to drift further away from the fashion house and off into other areas. Those who are also fans know what I mean: Evie's relationship with Daniel (whom I was trying hard to like, but just found it difficult to); Jack becoming an MP; Tilly and Norman; even Agnes was finding a new side of herself.
I was also curious as to what year the final episodes took place in, as I'm wondering if the Great Depression was very far off. "Upstairs, Downstairs" fans will recall that the Bellamy family and their staff were as affected by it as many in America, so I have a feeling that the predictions of Miles' father may not have been too far off the mark. Couture will have its' place, but ready-to-wear was going to become the wave of the future, and I would like to think the House of Eliot had the foresight to see this. We're guessing that Bea did, based on her decision in the final ep (as did Joseph and Jack), but Evie, I'm afraid, was seeing ready-to-wear as bourgeois and WAY beneath them, as well as striking at her creativity. So I figure a Season 4 would have seen the sisters battling even more over the House and its' standing in the fashion world. I'm not sure I could have taken 12 more episodes of that. I loved the relationship of Beatrice and Evangeline, but my least favorite moments were when they were fighting. Sisters do (I know -- I have two), but an entire season of them going at each other may have been too much.
Anyway, sorry to be so long. I absolutely loved the series, but maybe it was best it ended when it did. Too many shows (and movies) have outstayed their welcome. I just regret that it concluded the way it did...or didn't.
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I'm late to this discussion, but my understanding was that the 3 lead actors were all offered more lucrative work on the back of the success of the show, so were unavailable for a series 4. I'm told that in 1998, the idea of a fourth series (to be set during the "make do and mend" era of WW2) was put to the BBC's commissioning editors and agreed, but never came about because neither Lombard nor Gonet was available at that time (the former was taking a degree at Cambridge; not sure about the latter).
shareWhat rdavies23 said is correct. I remember after the final episode aired in Australia, the channel airing it announced that the lead actors were offered better work.
shareI absolutely loved "The House of Eliott". However, I was also disappointed at the way it ended. It felt very unfinished, and that is very evident when you watch the final episode. I thought the costumes and acting were excellent and I thought Stella Gonet did an outstanding job. The actors made me really interested in their stories, but I have to agree with the other posts in that Daniel is a bit of a disappointment. Its hard to like him and he just seems selfish and out of place, which perhaps is the point. I think we all kept waiting for Evie to meet someone wonderful, and it never happened, especially when juxtaposed with the storyline of Bea and Jack which was very engaging. All in all I really enjoyed it and would absolutely recommend "H of E" to anyone who likes a good drama.
shareI'd like to know what happens to Bea and Jack..to Evie and Daniel..to Norman & Tilly...to Agnes..to Madge and Charles..to Betty..to Joseph.
The end of Series 3 left us all hanging and broke off with so many unanswered questions as to what happened with the House of Eliott..NOT FAIR!!
2 or 3 more episodes would have cleared it up. Couldn't they get the actors for a few episodes? and couldn't they improvise on sets and costumes that were destroyed in a fire?
I was very disappointed when Evie married Daniel...he was not the man I would have picked for her. And Tilly...I was worried about her state of mind after the loss of her baby.
And what happened to Cotter and Grace? Did they just go on their merry way after stealing the designs and making those inferior clothes they peddled to cheap stores?
Too many questions need to be answered!!
"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything!"....
I don’t believe it was the cost of the costumes.
The costumes pretty much all came from stock. At that time, BBC had its own in-house costume dept and a huge catalog of costumes for every era. they didn’t even have to rent from other houses as they were able to provide all their own. You can see lots of examples of reused costumes in this series online, on a website called Recycled Movie Costumes.
What happens in the last 2 episodes...
Evie finally decides to go off with Daniel to Paris afterall and opens House of Eliott Paris. All haute couture, all the time.
She is wildly successful with outre designs and Daniel becomes the painter he's always wished to be. Both have more clients/patrons than they can handle including the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.
Daniel can't father children so they remain childless but Evie, wanting to explore her maternal side, asks Daniel's young sister Mary to come live with them. Mary falls in love with a count, gets married in France and eventually has 3 children. They all live together in Mary's new husband's fabulous chateau while Mary studies art. The children turn out to have artistic natures (of course) and Daniel teaches them to paint, and Evie teaches them couture design.
Bea, Joseph and Miles run House of Eliott as a ready-to-wear company. Miles gives the designs a great burst of originality and saves the day. Bea has another baby, a son, and realizes her role as the wife of a politician is demanding so finally gives in to it. Her influence with HOE slowly diminishes, but she's happy.
Jack is elected as an MP and then a Minister. A position he holds for the rest of his life with Bea by his side.
Tilly and Norman, after quitting their jobs and losing their position with Lady Westlake are delighted and surprised to receive a windfall inheritance from a distant uncle of Norman's. Enough money to buy a small pub/restaurant. Tilly divides her time at HOE and helping Norman at the pub, only until their daughters (twins) are born.
Madge and Charles eventually get divorces from their respective spouses and get married.
Agnes becomes quite popular with Music Hall and Vaudeville patrons and continues to sing. She joins a traveling troupe and eventually entertains the troops during WWII.
... or not!
I've just finished the entire series and have loved every moment of it. Terrific job by hopey4 and I fully agree with all that was suggested as the possible outcome for the main characters I grew to care about.
I'm not too upset about the abrupt ending because I enjoyed the journey all the way and can imagine their likely prospects as suggested. What's certain is that life went on and the great Depression of the 1930s was looming on the horizon. I even got to understand Daniel along the way and he stood by Evie when the sisters were at loggerheads about the future of the House of Elliot and I think that shows he loved her and was not concerned just about himself; but I did have doubts about her decision to marry in the beginning.
So... what a wonderful series -- one that I plan to enjoy again from the beginning somewhere in the future.
Wikipedia (not the most reliable source, but still, once can assume this entry has been written by someone in the know) says that the authors didn't anticipate BBC "pulling the plug" unexpectedly, so that's why it feel unfinished.
It's beyond me how anyone could pull the plug on such a fantastic series, but apparently anything is possible.
Shall I tell you how much I loved this series?
I actually shortened my vacation in Venice for a day, so I could be home in time for the airing of the next weekly episode. ;)
It’s well known that the standard acting contract for uk tv series is three years. Hence the deaths in s3 of Downton Abbey. Lombard and Gonet had already moved on.
shareI fully agree. I was very disappointed they left us 'up in the air' I also want a closure... Marilyn
shareI agree; the end of the last episode seemed like the end of a season, not the end of a series.
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I was incredibly disappointed that this ended so early and so suddenly. There were so many more stories to tell and all these years later I'm still disappointed when I rewatch it
shareNo idea. I love this series and wish it had lasted longer. I agree that the end of season 3 doesn't feel like a final ending. If a series is cancelled at least finish it properly for the fans.
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