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Question about airdates for season 2 and 4

posted 13 years ago by crazydude1989
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According to Amazon.com and itunes, the episodes for season 2 ran from September 1992 to December 1992, while numerous other sources say it was from April 1992 to July 1992. And they say season 4 ran from September 1993 to January 1994 while the other numerous sources say it was from April 1994 to June 1994.

I was obviously too young to really remember when they first aired. Can anyone tell me who is right? Was the "wrong" airdates of April-July when the episodes were actually produced? That's what I think.

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[–] crazydude1989 13 years ago

I always thought season 4 ran from April-June. Where would itunes get this information?

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[–] jptf2 13 years ago

I don't know, unless they asked Nickelodeon. All I can tell you for sure is the Christmas and Halloween episodes aired in 1993.

Edit: Actually, I have an old TV guide from February 5-11 of 1994, and for the 7:00PM ET Saturday Doug airing, it has the description of "Doug Runs" from season 4 (the Saturday evenings apparently re-ran the season 4 episodes in a loop for at least the next several months of 1994, as I always have one from July of that year with a season 4 episode, and doing the math, I determined it must have been looping through the 11 non-holiday episodes of season 4 for that time slot).

Also, off memory, I always thought I saw the episode, "Doug Door to Door/Doug Tips the Scales" on Saturday morning on April 16th, 1994, as I remember getting sick that morning. Doing the math, that would seem to suggest the Saturday morning time slot also cycled through the 11 non-holiday special season 4 episodes, only from a different place in the order - doing the math, it would actually make the iTunes date of January 2nd, 1994 (Sunday) for the series finale logical, as if you begin the cycle with that episode re-running Saturday morning January 8th, Doug Door to Door/Doug Tips the Scales would land on April 16th as I remember it.

[–] crazydude1989 13 years ago

Good, at least I have proof--idk where the April-June airdates came from. I also swear I saw "Doug Throws a Party" on my 5th birthday back on June 5th 1994, despite it not "originally airing" until June 12th.

Is September-December 1992 also correct airdates for season 2? April to July must have been when they were actually being produced.

Like the proverbial cheese, I stand alone. Even while seated.

[–] jptf2 13 years ago

Well, given season 1 and season 4 having premiered in the summer/fall of 91 and summer/fall of 93, at least one of the middle seasons must have first run sometime other than fall of 92. I don't know exactly how it worked, though.

From what I've heard, the turnover rate from the time a cartoon episode goes into production to the time it is finished is about 9 months. So I'm thinking the 91 episodes were made in 90, the 92 ones in 91, and the 93 ones in 92.

[–] crazydude1989 13 years ago

Yep thats what I was thinking too. According to the "correct" airdates, season 3 did air from April 1993 to July 1993 like the other sources with the wrong airdates, so that was the middle season you were thinking of.

And yes, I am sure that season 1 was produced in late 1990 to early 1991, season 2 was produced in mid 1991-early 1992, season 3 was produced in spring-fall of 1992, and season 4 was produced in winter 1992-spring 1993. I wish I could find out exactly when, but that's my calculations.

Like the proverbial cheese, I stand alone. Even while seated.

[–] crazydude1989 12 years ago

also on Wikipedia, it lists "Doug's Derby Dilemma" as first aired on November 1st, 1992, but other sources say it aired on October 18th. On the tv.com episode guide, it aired the week before "Doug Battles the Rulemeister" but on Wikipedia, "Doug's a big fat liar" aired that Sunday. SO CONFUSED!!!!!

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[–] jptf2 12 years ago

On wikipedia somebody switched around the order for season 2. If you look at the "code" section on wikipedia, you can see the order in which they are put on the DVDs.

So Doug's On Stage/Doug's Worst Nightmare is said to be the 5th episode of the second season, but on wikipedia, whoever changed the order around claims it aired 11th in the order (at least originally - whether Nickelodeon moved the episode order around after each season had debuted and then kept them in a given order for the many years of reruns is not specified by whoever did this).

The only change I know for sure is accurate is Doug Can't Dance/Doug Gets Busted originally airing before Doug Bags a Neematoad. Doug Can't Dance was the original pilot, and when the show debuted on August 11th 1991, that episode pair was what was shown (a link has been provided from a discussion group that was archived from August 11th, 1991, where they talk about Doug Can't Dance/Doug Gets Busted).

Edit: It looks like someone moved some of the episodes back to the code order, including falsely putting Doug Bags a Neematoad as the episode that aired on August 11th.

Now, as far as Doug Bags a Neematoad and Doug Can't Dance/Doug Gets Busted are concerned, I know Nickelodeon eventually reordered them so it would make sense chronologically, with Doug Bags a Neematoad being first in the order. I memorized the very beginning and ending of the episode order during the many years of reruns, and it always began with Doug Bags a Neematoad, followed by Doug Can't Dance/Doug Gets Busted. I would say this was definitely in place by 1995 at the latest. Almost certainly 1994. Probably earlier than that. It may have even been rather immediate, such as in 1992 when showing reruns of season 1.

[–] crazydude1989 12 years ago

Which episode aired on the correct days? I am in a nostalgic mood and want to watch them on the exact day that they originally aired 20 years ago, which would be Thursday mornings instead of Sunday. The ones this month are screwing me up--I watched "Derby/On His own" on the 18th but now it's telling me it aired on November 1st, so maybe I'll watch it again that morning.

Like the proverbial cheese, I stand alone. Even while seated.

[–] jptf2 12 years ago

Wait, what do you mean Thursday mornings? It was always aired Sunday mornings during its first run (at 10 AM, to be specific).

It had reruns on Saturday evenings those days, and sometime by the summer of 1993, reruns were added to Saturday morning at 8AM (all times eastern). Sometime in the fall of 1993, reruns were added to weekday afternoons at 3:30. Sometime between February and April of 1994, those weekday reruns were shifted to 7PM evening airings, which, more or less, they remained at for the next 5-6 years (there was one brief shift to 6:30 I believe, and another to 6:00, before returning to 7:00). Meanwhile, all the weekend slots remained active, although it was pulled from the Sunday morning lineup by early 1995, I think probably late 1994 when Ahh Real Monsters debuted.

Sorry if that threw off your reliving the episodes, LOL.

Obviously, there were other special airings, such as during marathon days and other Nickelodeon specials (holidays, Stick in the Afternoon, etc.). But I know of no original Thursday morning Doug airings.

As far as what order to watch them in - I think your best bet would be to watch them in the order they're in on the DVDs. I believe that's based on the order they were last in on reruns, and that order probably dated back quite a ways. The original order is anyone's guess. The only tweaks I know of were that Can't Dance/Gets Busted aired before Neematoad back on August 11th, 1991, and the Christmas and Halloween episodes originally aired around the holiday they depicted in 1993 (and were rerun on a couple of different days around the holidays, or at least the Christmas one was).

[–] jptf2 12 years ago

Edit: Double post

[–] crazydude1989 12 years ago

Thursday morning is the weekday of the exact airdate it aired 20 years ago. If I watched it on Sunday, technically Doug would've aired on Wednesdays in 1991-1993. So the next one to watch is "Doug On His own?" (since it's in airdate order, not production order?)

Like the proverbial cheese, I stand alone. Even while seated.

[–] jptf2 12 years ago

You lost me, sorry.

On wikipedia, it says "Doug On His Own" originally aired on November 1st, 1992. November 1st, 1992 was a Sunday.

Whether you want to watch them in the original airdate order or code order (which is the order I believe the show was in during the rerun years, and is certainly the order they're in on the DVDs) is up to you.

The problem with trying to watch them in the order of their original airdate is there doesn't seem to be any reliable source for when most episodes originally aired. I can tell you when Can't Dance/Gets Busted aired, and when the holiday episodes aired. Other than that, I can't recall locating anything from the internet archives.

[–] SourGreenapple42 12 years ago

Yeah, I've noticed a lot of older nickelodeon shows have kind of murky airdates listed online, with many of them either conflicting or only showing the year it aired in (or even just around).

The final episode of Pete and Pete for example, is listed as "Saturday" on wikipedia- which lists it as aired on December 28, 1996. However, this is contradicting as on the main pete and pete wiki page it says the show ended on May 1, 1996. To add to further confusion, imdb has the episode Saturday listed as airing in 1995! And it's not even listed as the last episode, but the third last episode.

It seems odd to us because we take for granted we live in an information age where everything is instantly put online, so this type of thing wouldn't be a problem. 15-20 years ago people weren't keeping track of these air dates as much, especially for nickelodeon shows. I mean I'm sure all the Seinfeld and Friends episodes have their correct airdates, but some relatively non-mainstream kids show on Nick not many people were keeping track of these dates, except maybe Nickelodeon- which is why we have the problem of somewhat unsure airdates today. In order to get them you'd have to do a lot of research into old TV reviews of these episodes and trace those airdates, or just ask Nick (if they even know for sure).