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Why wasn't Noah Cross mentioned?


The Two Jakes is a direct continuation of Polanski's Chinatown, and subsequently J.J Gittes manages to catch up with Katherine (Noah Cross's daughter with Evelyn), but why does Gittes never ask her about Cross and what happen to him? You would think that be eating away at him after all those year, after all Cross is the ultimate bad guy in Chinatown and caused the death of Evelyn and Hollis Mulwray? Anyone got any ideas?

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I would imagine the Jake kept track of him after
the Chinatown incident. Cross was something of a
public figure anyway, likely to be mentioned in
local papers and any related article might have
renewed Jake's interest and maybe prompt him to
update his info. He's nosy!

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I just took it that Cross died of his gunshot wound after Chinatown.

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Are you kidding? Wasn't much of a wound if you ask me. Then again, he was old. . .

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Possibly references to Noah Cross were edited out of an already convoluted film, but I think he was just irrelevant to the story. We already knew enough about his character to provide a nice sleazy undercurrent. And then again John Huston was dead by 1990 and unavailable, unlike Faye Dunaway, who did a voiceover in one scene. Richard Farnsworth plays the amoral rich man role.

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Earl Rawley does briefly mention him once to Jake:

"There's one thing about Los Angeles that makes it different than most places, John, and that's two things. You got a desert with oil under it, and, second, you got a lot of water around it. Hollis Mulwray and Noah Cross moved the water onto this desert, and we have to move people the same way they moved the water. Without my oil, you got no cars. Without cars, you got no road construction, no sidewalks, no city lights, no gas stations, no automotive service, and no Berman subdivision out in the tules because nobody can get there."

I've always taken this as an indication of how Cross got away with everything he did completely scott-free, as he knew he would, being a man of such power, & that this is the way of the world. He's now simply a name, fondly remembered as a founding father of Los Angeles, & his crimes are now either long-buried or completely unknown.

The fact that Earl Rawley says this to Jake can be taken two ways:

- either he doesn't know what kind of a man Noah Cross was, & he regards him as a great man, showing just how the misdeeds of 'great men' can be so easily forgotten;
- or, he knows exactly what kind of a man Noah Cross was, & of his connection to Jake, & this little speech is his way of saying to Jake that powerful men like Noah Cross & himself can do whatever they want, & petty little people like Jake can't do a thing about it. And that nor should they - what Cross & Rawley do is all about progress & the future, & if a few people are hurt along the way, so be it.

I think it's also pretty definite that Cross is dead at the time of The Two Jakes. Katherine appears to be free of him, & if he was still alive he would most likely have some sort of influence over her, either in day to day life, or would at least be doing something about the Berman case. It would also be virtually impossible for her to adopt a new identity if her father was alive.

Whatever happened to Noah Cross wouldn't be a mystery to Jake, or anyone, for that matter - he was a public figure, & easy to keep an eye on. Most likely he died peacefully, of natural causes, not long after the events of Chinatown. If Robert Towne ever had any idea that he came to a bad end, it would almost definitely have been mentioned. Maybe there were further references in earlier versions of the script.

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He was mentioned in a roundabout way, when Loach goads Gittes into a fight at police headquarters (which interestingly enough was inside City Hall)... Loach makes a reference to incestuous fathers who rape their daughters (Noah Cross), and that remark gets under Gittes' skin enough that he gets back at Loach by suggesting the detective found disappointment in a prostitute who "drew a line" at doing a rather disgusting act.

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On a slightly different tack, how could Jake Berman and Kitty run into the cash flow problem they had that he referred to at the end in the model house, if Katherine/Kitty is likely the sole heir of Cross's millions? Cross couldn't have lasted long, since it was 15-16 years along, Kitty had been with Jake for a fairly long time, and we can assume that Cross didn't have much time to screw her up mentally. She certainly showed she was tough to have gotten over the sight of her mother killed in that manner, given how pampered and protected she was up to that point in her life.

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AS someone else said, Cross is mentioned by the oil tycoon. Plus it seemed pretty obvious that he was assumed to have passed away.

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