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Was Tommy just using Rocky?


To get to the top? Tommy's attitude towards Balboa makes it seem Tommy may not have truly given a crap about Rocky anyhow. That Gunn was just using Rocky to become the champion and that G.W. Duke's scheming was convinient.

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Tommy started out liking Rocky and was not out to use him from the start. Tommy only turned against Rock because he listend to Duke and his lies


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I always wonder if they made up after the movie.

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-Harry Callahan

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Like as not, Rocky was an employee of Tommy and he decided to go in a different direction. Loyalty in this regard is BS. It's just business.

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speaking about the "I would like to think" area, is there any good Rocky fanfiction?

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There's an old saying that you can't con an honest man. Duke did indeed manipulate them both, but it showed Tommy's true colours - he was basically just a naive version of Clubber Lang, all ambition but little regard for others. The big difference between Rocky and his antoganists in the series is that Rocky fights for others, his opponents generally fight for themselves. In other words, no reason for these two men to make their peace after the street fight.

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Tommy never intended to use Rocky, he wanted Rocky to manage him. Tommy betrayed Rocky because he believed that greedy slimeball like Duke had the "bigger better deal" and also because Tommy was getting praised through Rocky, he gets pissed off and then wants out of "Rocky's shadow".

Overall, Tommy was a guileless ungrateful brat who needed to be taught a lesson.

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You are absolutely right. My employer and I "use" each other. They use me to make money. And I use them for a paycheck and benefits. Tommy's betrayal of Rocky was more personal because they were dealing with each other man to man, not man to corporation. Tommy even stayed in Rocky's home.

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Sylvester Stallone directed "Staying Alive", the sequel to "Saturday Night Fever". Has Stallone ever met a sequel he didn't like? In that movie English dancer Laura played by Finola Hughes said "everybody uses everybody".

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Not sure how many of you guys watch boxing, but a boxer name Michael Moorer had a similar rise to the top like Tommy Gunn.. Moorer won the heavyweight title by beating Evander Holyfield, but all the credit went to his trainer Teddy Atlas... This made Moorer bitter, he ended up losing the title to George Foreman..

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Yes, but in a good way. Rocky was getting something out of it too, Tommy was potentially the Balboa family's ticket out of poverty (Paulie saying he stinks of opportunity). GWD's scheming was convenient because Tommy was young, poor, naive, and hungry for a big payday. He also didn't have someone like Adrian speaking on his behalf. GWD used all these factors to manipulate Tommy to his advantage and influence Tommy to sell out.

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Duke is the real villain of 5, not Tommy. Duke was just using Tommy to try to get Rocky back in the ring. Rocky could have kept training Tommy, it was he who decided to stop.

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Please read my thread titled "Duke was only a villain in the beginning"

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