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Why 'childlike empress' and not just 'empress'?


I don't think they called her childlike empress once in the first movie, so why did they change it in this movie? So many other things changed, such as the actors and voices for the puppet characters, that the second film had none of the feeling of the first.

For those who have read the novel, was it "Empress" or "childlike Empress"?

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In the book, she is referred to as the "childlike empress."

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In the first movie and most of the book, she was refered to as "Child-like Empress". At the end of the first movie/first half of the book, Bastion had to give her a name to end the Nothing. It's hard to hear the name he called out in the movie but the book clarified it, the name was MoonChild. The second half of the book, the name goes back and forth between MoonChild and Child-like Empress.

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Not once in the first movie did I hear the words "Child-like Empress" if you know where to find them, please provide me with the exact time of the movie so I can take a look.

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in the 3rd film she is no longer the childlike emperess

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She was called "The Empress" in the first movie. Although, she is listed in the credits as "The Childlike Empress". I just watched it on Starz and now I'm watching the second one they came on back to back and I thought it was odd also when they started calling her that in the second one and then i saw your post. Anyways if anyone called her that in the first movie it was definitely not the majority of the time and only once or twice at the most.

I just checked Youtube also and the whole movie is posted on there if you want to watch it. :)

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I watched the first one probably 2 or 3 hundred times in my youth (80s) and I can tell you right now, that there is zero mention of the phrase "child like empress" in the first film.

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Yes there is. I recently just watched it again after year and do remember her being referred to as childlike empress. I can't remember specifically which scene but it does happen.

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I heard somewhere that Bastion yelled out the name of his mom.

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In the original book, she is called the Childlike Empress. The reason why she was called that is because she is actually somewhat immortal, or at least never ages. She ruled Fantasia under many names, which was why she needed a new name in the first movie.

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I got that feeling from the original actress that played the Empress. Then she looked like a child but appeared to act and talk like someone much older.

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She's ALWAYS been "The Childlike Empress", even in Part One, and the whole source material. It's her title, since her 'power' in essence is purity and innocence, corruptible and timeless. She will always have countenance, grace, and a righteous heart. She's essentially a Goddess of Love / "Good" / Light, depending on how you want to look at it.

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Wikipedia says she's a "Goddess of Fantasy" within that book series / "World" / paradigm. The Childlike Empress (Die Kindliche Kaiserin in German) is the monarch of Fantasia, who resides in the Ivory Tower palace in the heart of the realm. Although she is nominally the ruler of Fantasia, she does not command a political system nor does she enforce her authority, and in fact rarely interacts with the outside world. In actuality, she is the living embodiment of Fantasia's life force; should she die, Fantasia and all Fantasians would cease to exist.
The amulet known as 'AURYN' is her emblem, and those who wear it are her messengers and representatives. As explained by Morla the Aged One, her lifetime is not measured in years or in time ("she's much older than the oldest inhabitants of Fantasia, or rather, she's ageless"), but by names. She continuously needs new names, which only the imagination of a human child can give to her. When she begins to need a new name, she begins to fade away, causing the Nothing to appear in Fantasia. She sends Atreyu on the Great Quest, which brings Bastian Balthazar Bux to Fantasia, and Bastian gives her the name of his mother, (according to his dreams) Moon Child, which restores Fantasia and begins the second half of the novel.
Her description is that of an indescribably beautiful young girl, appearing no older than ten, yet known to be much older than the oldest Fantasians. Her hair is snow-white, as is her gown, and her eyes are the color of gold, earning her the official title Golden-Eyed Commander of Wishes (Goldäugige Gebieterin der Wünsche in German).

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I do believe nobody gave you a straight, short and correct answer. "Because she's always been called that" is not an explanation imho, sorry everyone. I realise your post is years old but for the benefit of anyone else reading this recently:

She is called 'childlike Empress' because her form is childlike. She is the living embodiment of Fantasia, and has been since its creation. This means she is countless years old, she just looks like a child.

~It's as if she evaporated... straight through the wullz~

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I think they did refer to her at least once as the "Childlike Empress" in the first movie. I have read the novel for the record, and in the novel she is almost exclusively referred to as "Childlike Empress".

It actually makes more sense to drop the "Childlike" in her name since the actress doesn't look like a kid at all in this movie, and even less so in the third movie.

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I remember reading a review of either this film or the third one where the reviewer commented that the "child-like Empress" seemed about as child-like as Drew Barrymore (b. 1975).

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Because Warner Bros wanted to tap into the paedophile market. It's a large demographic, hence big bucks are to be made.

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