Terrible Casting...


I'm a big fan of both the novel and the film. I thought Annette Bening and John Cusack were chosen perfectly for their roles, and I can't imagine anyone doing them better. But Angelica Huston should NOT have been cast as Roy's mother, Lilly. She just didn't seem right for the character, and not to be shallow, isn't really pretty enough to be the hidden apple of Roy's eye - because in the novel, she's described as a tragically beautiful woman.

"Someone pass the asparagus."

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Angelica Huston “isn't really pretty enough” to play a “tragically beautiful woman?” I bet you’re a whole lot younger than I am.

Eschew obfuscation

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Angelica Huston is a beautiful woman, she just isn't all big teeth, puffy lips and big, blond hair like every second American actress.

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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I thought the opposite - I felt Cusack and Bening showed their weaknesses. Bening was a bit too lightweight somehow and Cusack did not have great range back then. Huston on the other hand, quite extraordinary. As powerful a piece of dramatic and tragic acting as you'll see from a Hollywood film.

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From the little I've seen of it so far (it's on now and I missed the first hour.[watching it due to boredom and plan on watching in entirety eventually]), I totally agree with mjtsmm2027. Everything you say, word for word is exactly how I feel about it. Huston is extraordinary and everytime Bening and Cusack are onscreen, I keep thinking of who could have done it better.

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Ha! Think of Bening in the scene where she is playing 'the roper' for her former boss, and the other scene where she 'runs the gangplank' or whatever she calls it. You call that lightweight? What planet are you on? Maybe you are confusing her skinnyness with her acting??

Cusack played it just right. Understated, believable. Huston was fine too, another one I REALLY enjoy her in is Ever After. Yes, its a Cinderella Story, a kids film, but the writing is absolutely brilliant and Huston does Wicked & Classy all at the same time! She is truly amazing!

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Absolutely agree. Cusack was miscast and not anywhere in same league as the rest of the cast. I didn't believe him in this role for one single second. He was the weak link in the cast.

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I think casting Angelica Huston might have been an allusion to Chinatown, which is often considered somewhat of an important neo-noir (The Grifters is considered neo-noir). In that film John Huston (Angelica's father) plays Noah Cross, an important businessman (of sorts) who "steals" from the public and also has had some sort of incestuous relationship with his daughter which resulted in him fathering his granddaughter. When Annette Benning insinuates that John Cusack desires his mother or has done something with her or whatever it is she hints at (I've only seen it once), he slaps her repeatedly in a manner that's very similar to the way Jack Nicholson slaps Faye Dunnaway (in Chinatown) when she's trying to explain what happened with her father.

I haven't read or heard anything that confirms that; it was just my initial response. But I think it makes sense, seeing as neo-noirs (or revisionist films in general) often try to reference classic noir as a way to kind of alert the audience to what the film is imitating. Also, John Huston directed the Maltese Falcon, which is often cited as the beginning of film noir. So casting him in Chinatown might have been purposeful as well. He died three years before the Grifters was released, so it would make sense for Angelica Huston to play a role similar to his in Chinatown as an homage to him, as well as a general reference to the beginnings of film noir and neo-noir.


Also, whatever. Angelica Huston is amazing and beautiful.

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great post, lots of insight. All this from just watching or do you / did you study film somewhere?

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I'm not entirely sure if this comment was directed at me or not, but if it was, thank you, and I concentrate in cinema studies at Sarah Lawrence College, but I watched this film for a summer class I was taking on film noir, although we didn't talk about any of that stuff I said, and aside from the historical stuff I mentioned, my observations are my own.

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Yes, my reply was to you, LifeDuring. Looking forward to reading some of your other posts sometime.

---"Darling, nothing is final 'til you're dead, and even then, I'm sure God negotiates."

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I could understand why you could say Huston is not beautiful. I tend to find her beautiful more so because she has a provocative desirability about her. This is a rare quality in women and so I find myself wanting it more than physical beauty. She has a lot of that charisma that her dad and grand dad possessed. She reeks of it and almost no matter how she looked I would be attracted to her. Being that she is a woman this attraction becomes a sexual one for me. The best thing is they don't lose it with age like beauty is lost.

As far as the movie is concerned, she was stronger than Cusack and Bening. They both did fine and held their own with some flaws, but she is what makes this movie excel. Maybe someone could have played that part before she did, but now that she has I could not imagine another actress doing what she did for that role.

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Huston is the best of the three. No other actor approaches material quite like Anjelica.

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Before she was an actress, Anjelica was a Ford model. While not beautiful in the conventional sense, she was and still is a knockout. I also think she gave the best performance in the film.

Bening was a close second with her winning, coquettish approach.

Cusack was the weak link for me.

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I just read all the postings and overall they are right.
First of, I saw this movie the first time when it came out on video. I thought I never saw a better movie about grifters (at that time and it's still one of the better ones)and the triangle relationship of the mother, son and his girlfriend. The chemistry between Huston and Cusack was very well played and directed, I was really convinced of their complex relationship and the role of Benning was just right, if she played a bigger part, the movie wouldn't have worked like it did and at that time she was just a beginning actress, she had her first nomination with this movie, before her part in Bugsy. No, everything was just right, the casting (especially Benning, since this part wasn't meant as a big part, so it was important it wasn't played by a famous/ established actress, so Huston and Cusack could be the centre, who are perfectly cast for this movie), the setting (which is mostly in his apartment), the script (well chosen), good producer and director (Scorsece and Frears, always a plus) and the book was great too, but I read it after I saw the movie, not before and it's almost the same, very devious, very exc/accillerating.

Since then I have seen some great movies about the grifting, but never have I seen a movie this simple and complex at the same time, something that makes a good subject for a movie, if you have the right script and in this case, the right actors, because this movie wouldn't have been as good if they used other actors, and the same for Stephen Frears, nobody could've done it better, even Scorcese, which is one of my favorite directors.
These days it's hard to make an original movie, most subjects are already been used and re-used, not many original scripts around, but even now, this movie would be original and a potential hit.
I wonder if this movie is available on DVD, because I haven't seen it on DVD yet, so if someone knows if it's available, I would be very grateful!! 9/10!!

P.s. I'm not from an English speaking country, so my words are sometimes misspelled, my appologies for that.


"If only the good people go to Heaven, it must be a boring place"

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Yes, it is on DVD.

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The original poster probably doesn't even have taste in his mouth. Anjelica Huston's performance is legendary, one of the greatest noir turns given by an actress--matched only by Barbara Stanwyck's Phyllis Dietrichson. Who else could've delivered the line, "My son's going to be alright. If not, I'll have you killed" with such total believability? The last scene with Cusack, in particular, could be shown in acting classes with the introduction "This is how you play an objective."

Huston's Lily is breathtaking, perfection. Her casting couldn't have been better.

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Bening and Cusack are extras. It's Angelica Huston's film.

She was in her prime at the time, and this role came between The Witches and The Addams Family, both of which did decent enough box office.
My conclusion is that she was cast in the lead role because she was the right age, she was a good draw, and she was/is a more than capable character actress.
This movie has aged well, even if Cusack is a bit one dimensional, and Bening's chomping on the scenery at every opportunity.

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to cookiela (I know this is awfully late, but I just read your post so I'm responding anyway) -
I realize that the process you describe is standard casting procedure...but it's not the only way things are ever done. Is it not possible that SOME directors and/or writers seek specific actors for their roles? That happens all the time.

And I didn't think I implied that the decision to cast Huston was because it would be "COOL!". Your comment is very dismissive and doesn't seem to take into account anything I was saying. You may find this unbelievable, but sometimes actors ARE, in part, cast because of what an audience may associate them with, based on all kinds of things, such as past roles or (yes!) even personal background. It's very similar to Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan being cast together in You've Got Mail because of how successful Sleepless in Seattle was - the casting directors knew that audiences would enjoy seeing them paired together again and would automatically associate You've Got Mail with the previous film because they were cast together. What I was suggesting was the same concept, just much less blatant. A better example - Janet Leigh makes some appearance in what seems like the 20th Halloween sequel. Her presence is not only meant to reference Psycho, but is kind of like an in-joke to those who know that she's Jamie Lee Curtis's mom. Speaking of...do you think casting Jamie Lee Curtis in the original Halloween had nothing whatsoever to do with who her mother is and what she represents? Carpenter established Halloween as a horror film from the beginning by casting Leigh's daughter in the main role - whether audiences at the time recognized it or not. Just because the things I said about John Huston aren't as well known as these examples doesn't make it any less possible that they were taken into account when casting Anjelica Huston.

I realize that the film industry is money-driven, but can't you give SOME filmmakers a bit more credit than that? I think that a lot of filmmakers probably put a bit more thought into their casting decisions than you seem to insinuate. And besides, I never said that Anjelica Huston was definitely cast only for those reasons. I'm certainly not even trying to say that she was cast for those reasons at all. But in my opinion, it seems to make sense as a possibility, and I more wanted to see if other people thought about that as well. I don't believe either one of us can say definitively one way or another, so why try so harshly to disprove my suggestion?

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....I don't really know how to respond to this. I didn't mean to imply that Jamie Lee Curtis was cast in Halloween BECAUSE of her mother. I agree that it problably had nearly nothing to do with it, but I'm going to hold on to that "nearly"; I think it was probably more than just a coincidence, but not much more. Perhaps I've read this wrong, but you seem to basically be arguing, "These aspects have a lot LESS to do with this process than you think they do. ...but sometimes maybe they might be a little related...just not as much as you're saying.." so rather than attempt to argue about degrees of "rightness," can you just tell me why you addressed me as "sarah lawrence"? I'm also finding it incredibly difficult to judge your tone...and...yeah, that's it, I guess.

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I didn't mean to sound defensive...I was just quite confused and perhaps thought you were making fun of me. Perhaps I came off as defensive because I was trying not to come off as stupid, and also because I really didn't understand what you were trying to do exactly, I genuinely didn't know how to go about responding. Your humor is appreciated.

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To Cookie and Wartime...

Thank you for that disputacious dialogue . . . it completely took my mind off its prior concern, about how many people think this Grifters film is awesome, while I thought it was Awful. You made it worth my time to read these responses.

I'd love to see what you could do with Sunset Boulevard.

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Cusack and, especially Benning were excellent in their roles. She played the spunky con-artist perfectly (and she was a babe).

Huston's acting is fine. But she did not fit the part, in that she was supposed to be young, and young-looking.

I'm around the same age as Cusack, and when I first saw it (early 90's) I didn't get the ambiguous attraction between him and Huston. No matter how well she acted the part, her looks couldn't pull it off.

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Yeah, I'm fine with the story and the acting. I understand what you’re saying.

I just don't think that Huston was right for the part. I think that others have said it too – and that Lily was supposed to have been young looking and good looking enough, that she would be mistaken (by others) to be Roy’s girlfriend.

And also, the tension and jealousy between Lily and Myra would have been a little bit more believable.

It’s still a great movie. But I always cringe when I see them together.

Hey, maybe they should’ve had Bening play Lily instead, and gotten someone like Jennifer Connelly to play Myra. I would’ve been on board with that.

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I liked the casting. I thought anjelica was a great Lilly! I thik she is freaking GORGEOUS!!!! Very classy. They showed Bening nude alot...i'd rather see anjelica! But thats me...>.< and Cusack was a good ROy too.

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I stand by my prior post - she wasn't right for the part. You may personally have a thing for her - but she didn't fit the role.

I'm a guy - I know.

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I think Anjelica was right for the role. I don't think they were thinking too much about looks when they were casting. Sissy Spacek was up for the role before Anjelica was and she really isnt considered beautiful either. When it comes down to it, Anjelica had the ability to take Lilly Dillon to a whole new level. Anjelica has that side to her that enables her to play cold characters and I think that's what they were looking for. She also has a soft side to her which is displayed in certain scenes during the movie.

When it comes down to Lilly's looks, in the book she wasn't supposed to be drop dead gorgeous but she was considered pretty. And Roy's attraction to his mother didnt have anything to do with her looks anyway. However, I wish they hadn't put a blonde wig on Anjelica. I think it made her look older than she was. At the time, Anjelica was the exact age Lilly Dillon is supposed to be. I think they just made a poor choice with the blonde.

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Rockera, you obviously know more than I do about the story, having read the book.

I thought, though, that Lilly was supposed to be good-looking and young-looking enough to be mistaken for Roy's girlfriend (someone wrote it somewhere around here). And all through the film, other characters make comments about her being beautiful.

As I've said, she's a good actress - and the last scene, where she's crying, but still picking up the money, is something to see.

I can get past it, but still think that a younger looking actress would've been better. Hey, maybe you're right, about the wig - and it could've made all the difference.

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I cannot believe there are morons criticizing the sensational performances of Anjelica Huston and Annette Bening in this movie. They were both on fire here, absolutely spot-on perfect. They both richly deserved the Oscars they were nominated for.

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Hey, it's not her performance. Huston's looks didn't fit what I thought was necessary, and the intent of the part.

As I wrote above, the last scene with her crying is incredible. She's a good actress. But her in this part just didn't work for me. I've learned to live with it. But I think that someone else could've been a better choice.

Bening was great in this, and is still a babe. She could play the role of Lily today.

Just this moron's opinion.

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Not sure that I've got any business responding to this because I haven't read the book. But this is a movie board so I will anyway. With the film being my only reference: Lilly's manipulative skills were so advanced and well honed that many men would only have to spend 5 minutes in her company to feel convinced that she was the most beautiful woman on the planet, and I'm not talking about them having sex. She was good, she was real good.

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Okay, apologies for my "moron" comment earlier, that was rude and uncalled-for. I see your point about Huston's physical appearance here. Acting-wise, though, I think she was extraordinary and deserved to win the Best Actress Oscar she was rightly nominated for. Bening was terrific as always and would have been my choice for that year's Best Supporting Actress Oscar.

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Isabella Rossalini would of been great as Lily I think. I think Huston was great though.

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There were many good looking older actresses that could've fit the part better (for me).

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