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How can this movie have a high rate(8) and...


it's not between the top 250 in IMDB?
I know that the number of votes is important too. But you can see that more than 124000 people has voted to Dances With wolves. This movie has More votes than the movies in the last of top 250 have. Like Manhattan with 72000 votes and Festen with 44000 votes and Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring with 39000 votes and with a rate of 8.
This movie has more than 124000 votes and a rate of 8. So haw can't be in top 250 in IMDB?




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what?! I didn't understand.

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I think dude is makin a star wars drop, "the force is strong with this one." lame yep. but IMO Imdb top 250 is by no means a descent movie rater. I'm swell with the top 20 though I'd combine some of the multi-part flicks. After that it gets convoluted. The fact that this movie won Best Picture should give it a place in Imdb's "top 250".

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Just noticed this! And films like "Ip Man" and "Pirates of the Carribean" are in Top 250 for a very long time. ImDb says it counts votes from "regular voters" only... a.k.a. young people who fiddle with their tablets 16 hours a day.

Hence classics like these will always be excluded.

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so we shouldn't trust top 250 in IMDb. It's not all the people votes

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Somehow, I don't think it counts if you constantly vote 10 for the same film or if vote for a film 10 times a day.
I don't think IMDB takes that in account, in fact they probably see it as spam. Especially the latter one.

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No the poster does not mean that. it means if you have rated 20 movies on IMDB your vote counts LESS than a person who has voted 1,000 movies

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The formula for calculating the Top Rated 250 Titles gives a true Bayesian estimate:

weighted rating (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C
where:
R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating)
v = number of votes for the movie = (votes)
m = minimum votes required to be listed in the Top 250 (currently 25000)
C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 7.0)

for the Top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.


And i'm still a regular voter. my last vote was december of 2011. so don't think you have to be voting weekly for it to apply



Soooo... DWW score is 47.85667752442997
The current #250 is The Untouchables (1987) 49.31966363824752

So DWW has a ways to go. and looking now i don't believe the top 250 is updated often. because the 250 says the untouchables is 7.9, where the actual page lists it an 8.

One would assume they do this to prevent spam voters trying to make the dark knight #1

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For me, DWW is a good movie but not a great one. Not even close to the greatest 250 movies ever made. I just finished watching it for perhaps the fourth time, and I lowered my rating from nine to eight. The problem is characterization, or the lack of it. Put another way, there's a lot of stereotyping. The reversal of white/Indian roles might obscure that fact, but it doesn't change it. The "good" Indians, the Lakota, almost uniformly fit the 19th century "noble savage" model, while the "bad Indians" are just plain savages; we never see a single redeeming trait in any Pawnee. Except for Dunbar and one other, the whites are uncouth louts--or crazy. I'm sympathetic with the plight of Indians in the late 19th century, but this movie now feels to me more like a propaganda piece than a serious attempt at drama. After all, the entire concept depends on the one white man with any nobility in him choosing to become a Sioux. That's a pretty obvious indication of the intent. There are moving and exciting scenes. The hunger of DWW and Stands with a Fist for each other is persuasive and at times comic. The friendships, especially between DWW and Kicking Bird, feel real enough. But all of it is at the service of the political agenda. I'm progressive enough in most matters. But mine and the movie's agenda deserve better than this. So do the Indians.

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Excellent comments. The movie was a politically correct propaganda piece.

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