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remaining fuel is 96000lb and movie ending.


Recently I watched this impressive movie. I have some questions. If you know, please help me.

Q1. After turning Polar Bear One, Capt. Moreau said (remaining fuel is)96,000lb.

First of all, B52's fuel meter's unit is lb, not gal?

Q2. If 96,000lb is correct, how far can B52 fly with quite low altitude?

Q3. At the movie ending, Maj. Cassidy said 'Welcome to Del Mar'. I am not sure.
What exactly he said? Del Mar is much far and unlikely destination.



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Aircraft use lbs. of fuel not gallons. There are no methods available to measure a volume of fuel inside of fuel bladders, however, it is very simple to measure weight. Most importantly, volume of fuel is not useful information to a pilot, weight of fuel on the other hand, that is extremely important to know.

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A B-52 fully loaded carries approx. 310,000 lbs of fuel. With 96,000 lbs. they would under ideal conditions be able to travel 1/3rd of its range (8,800 miles) so approx. 2900 miles. With low altitude flying reducing efficiency and loosing their 70,000 lbs. payload increasing efficiency, they would easily be able to push over 2,000 miles.

3: At the end of the film, Maj. Cassidy says "Welcome to tomorrow."

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Thank you. Your answer is very helpful.

Is meaning of 'Welcome to tomorrow' crossing International Date Line?

Obviously Polar Bear One was flying to sunrise(East). If so, 'Welcome to tomorrow' is something strange because they got another same date.

or should I interpret sunrise as beginning of new day?

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When I read 'Trinity's Child', I found out this mystery.

In the novel, Polar Bear One crossed International Date Line to West. It was natural for 'Welcome to Tomorrow'.

However, in the movie, Polar Bear One was flying to sunrise.

I think it is one goof in the movie.


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2 - except for the gaping hole in the fuselage where the ejection seat went off... that would really rip them a new one with regard to range... not sure by how much though.

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The phrase "welcome to tomorrow" was just a symbolic meaning that the world had come close to ending, but instead made it to the next day.

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The weight of the fuel is also important to the overall weight of the aircraft. If fuel were measured by volume it would be near impossible to determine the all up weight of the aircraft and its maxiumum operational performance.

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i wouldnt say impossible: A gallon of fuel weighs x amount of pounds - around 8 I would think, so you would merely multiply your gallon figure by eight.

but as has been noted its just more useful to know the weight.
If you really want to know the mpg i guess you'd do that calc the other way round :)

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for some simple arithmatic is 'nearly impossible', apparently. ;)

the volume of the fuel will change (very slightly) with temperature.

I've never understood why they use pounds of fuel in the military.

When i flew (in a tiny cessna), i bought gallons of fuel (6lbs per gal)

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It's actually the density of the fuel that varies with temp, not the volume. Usually roughly around the 0.800kg/m3 (0.8 of a kilo to each metre cubed gross volume) at 15 degrees Celcius. You could for example pump 100 gallons (379 litres) of liquid into the tanks one morning and then do the same the next morning. Both mornings, you would add a volume of 100 gallons into the tanks, but dependant on ambiant temperatures, may have a denser volume of liquid (if the ambiant temp was cooler than the previous morning), thus increasing the overall ramp/operating weight of the aircraft in relation to the uplifted volume of liquid. In short, two equal volumes of fuel may have a varying mass.

Commercially speaking, lbs tend to be used these days only with older Boeing (or other US manufacturer's older airframes) aircraft, which of course, the B-52 is one of. Most modern commercial and military aircraft universally use Kilograms now, even when airframe is of American origin. Load and Trim sheets are all produced in a Kg format, along with the direct effect an increase of kgs would have on the aircraft's Mean Aerodynamic Chord. Whilst some combined lbs/kgs calclations are required (the Boeing 747-400F was the most recent airframe and last type that I encountered this on...and bloody annoying it is too!), it's much safer for the Load Masters and Load Controllers of such aircraft to be able to stick to one universal weight format.

There was an incident some years ago where an Air Transat Airbus ran out of fuel midflight (luckily, the driver was something of an old hand and managed to GLIDE it for 20 mins off his NAT Track and into his ETOP routing alternate on the Azures). The reason it ran out of fuel was because the planner had completed the aircraft's Loadsheet in kgs, but had calculated the fuel in lbs. Working out that the aircraft would have a fuel uplift of a certain number of kgs, somewhere along the line, the same figure was used for transferring the fuel to the tanks...except that the number used was actually lbs, not kgs...meaning that didn't even have half of the fuel uplift the pilot's thought they had in tanks.

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OUICH !!

the metric/fractional issue always crops up, doesn't it? NASA crashed an experiment in to the backside of Mars a few years back for the same reason.

Some day hopefully the US will switch over to SI units. (i quite often convert all my values to M-K-S units to do calculations then convert them back at the end -- slugs? really?!)

(of course, you're right about the density being the variable w/temp -- i was thinking of a fixed quanitity of fuel that then expanded or contracted w/temp.)

I guess kg/lbs does make more sense, then than liters/gallons since density changes with the temperature -- now I know...

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