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Anyone knows something about post production problems with re-editing?


For over a year now i have been trying to find out more about problems that movie had in post production. Apparently, Warner Bros. studio (dick) heads, in their usual wisdom, demanded for movie to be re-edited because they didn't like original (and longer) cut.

This is from trivia;


One of several films to be turned over to editor Stuart Baird, who came onto the project as an editing "doctor" when Warner where displeased with the first cut turned in by the filmmakers.

Gary Chang provided additional music to the film because Harold Faltermeyer could not return to re-score the final reel of the film as it was constantly being edited.

The theatrical trailer shows some alternate and deleted scenes; alternate cut of shower scene between Tango and Cash, deleted or alternate fight scene between Cash and Chinese assassin during which Cash says "I hate you karate guys", and deleted scene in which Tango is reading the newspapers and then pulling out Spas 12 shotgun at someone and shooting at some car with it.

The production was beset with problems from its very inception. Firstly, the intended star, Patrick Swayze dropped out, then principal photography began without a completed script. As mentioned above, Sylvester Stallone had the original director of photography, Barry Sonnenfeld fired. Then, the director, Andrey Konchalovskiy was fired by producer Jon Peters. The film ultimately went over $20 million over-budget, and had to be completely reedited by Stuart Baird prior to its release.

After Stuart Baird was brought in as an editing doctor by Warner, it was he who hired Hubert de La Bouillerie to edit the film and Harold Faltermeyer and Gary Chang to compose the music. In Chang's case it was additional music.



So it sounds like there was some heavy re-editing done to this movie. When i first read all those trivia notes i was quite surprised untill i realized that Warner Bros. studio distributed this movie. And that's when it all made sense cause lately i kept finding out that lot of the movies released by WB had misfortune to suffer some heavy edits that were forced by studio dkheads. I must say, from all movie studios i know Warner Brothers and Miramax are ones that have/had really bad habit of messing with their movies and would often do heavy re-editing on them.

Back to Tango & Cash, i would like to ask anyone here do you know something more about this problems, like what scenes were deleted ect...If so, let me know.

This movie is one of my childhood favourites and i sure would like to know more about original cut/deleted footage from it. So far only deleted scenes i saw were in theatrical trailer and on some pictures around internet. I heard that maybe there was some MPAA cuts made on the movie, but this is only a rumour so i'm not sure is it true or not (probably not).

I did notice that some music from soundtrack is not used in movie. Track that is said to be used in scene where chinese assasin tries to kill Cash is completely different then the one used in movie, it is much more stealthier instead of the action version. Maybe it was used in what could be alternate version of this scene which can be seen in trailer, but that's just my opinion.

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It would be nice to find out more, but I don't think we will. The chances of WB releasing a special edition are viirtually non-existant most likely, so unless some information comes out in someone's autobiography or somehow another studio/label acquires the rights I don't think we'll ever know. Same case for a lot of films sadly. Be nice to see the uncut Total Recall or Die Hard 2/3 as well (or Demolition Man with the Jessse Ventura vs Sylvester Stalone fight).

It's a sad day when one makes IMDB Deomolition Man message board in-jokes.

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One thing that always bugged me was the elevator scene where Cash is complaining about the hole in his shirt. The black officer next to him says a clear line of dialogue with no audio. It's like they didn't even bother to dub it in.

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I have uncut version of Die Hard 2 and other than one really good headshot it really isn't anything special. I would love to see uncut version of Die Hard 3 since it's my second fave DH movie. Apparently uncut workprint is in circulation, but has yet to be widely released.

As for Tango & Cash and Demolition Man, I really don't get it why would Warner Bros. butcher two awesome action movies like those two and cut so much scenes , including quite a few action scenes, out of them. And they do little to nothing about special editions with very few or no special features, while deleted footage is rotting away somewhere in their vaults. That's just a fkn shame. I don't care what anyone says, uncut and extended versions of those and many other movies would be great moneymaker for studios but they don't give a sht, causing many fans to give up from hope of seeing their favorite movies in uncut special editions. In couple words, it sucks.

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It would be nice to find out more, but I don't think we will.


From what i heard recently, producer Jon Peters wanted for movie to be tongue in a cheek while Stallone and original director Andrei Konchalovsky wanted for it to be more serious.

There are some notes about production problems on wikipedia;

The production was beset with problems from its very inception. Firstly, Patrick Swayze who was originally cast as Cash dropped out and went to star in Road House (1989), then principal photography began without a completed script. Sylvester Stallone, infamous for his bad ego, had the original director of photography Barry Sonnenfeld fired because Stallone felt he wasn't being lit to satisfaction. Donald E. Thorin, who shot Stallone's earlier movie that year, Lock Up (1989), was Sonnenfeld's replacement. Then after nearly three months of filming director Andrei Konchalovsky was fired by producer Jon Peters in a dispute over the movie's ending, and was replaced with Albert Magnoli who filmed all the chase and fight scenes in the ending. In his book of memoirs, Konchalovsky says that the reason he was fired was because he wanted to give the film a more serious tone than the producers wanted, and as such, his relationship with Peters became untenable. Konchalovsky however had nothing but praise for Sylvester Stallone, who he states was a constant voice of reason on the set. Production sources said that Konchalovsky had been given impossible scheduling demands and was then made the scapegoat when he fell behind.

There was also a legal battle between producers Peter Guber and Jon Peters and Warner Bros. studio. Guber and Peters complained in Los Angeles Superior Court that Warner had replaced them on the project and, over Peters' objections, "advanced the release date of the film by many months."

Movie went into production in June, directors were changed in late August, and after principal photography was finished in September replacement director Magnoli called everyone back to the set for two more weeks of additional re-shoots. Filming was finally finished on October 20, 1989, eight weeks before its original scheduled theatrical opening in 1600 theatres across the United States.

Behind the scenes problems which included filming, script changes, and later constant cuts and re-editing of the movie were so big and bad that one of the more experienced crew members said in interview; ""This was the worst-organized, most poorly prepared film I've ever been on in my life. From the first day we started, no one knew what the hell anyone was doing." Same crew member also mentioned some reasons why director Konchalovsky was fired; "He found himself in over his head. There were scenes scheduled for three days that were so complicated they should have been scheduled for six or seven days. They were trying to do a 22-week movie in 11 weeks."

The film ultimately went over $20 million over-budget, and had to be completely re-edited by editor Stuart Baird prior to its theatrical release. Tango & Cash was one of many films to be turned over to Baird, who came onto the project as an editing "doctor" when studios such as Warner Bros. were displeased with the first cut turned in by the filmmakers. Baird was also called in by Warner Bros to re-edit another Stallone action movie Demolition Man (1993) for the same reasons. After Baird was brought in by Warner Brothers to literally save the movie in editing room, it was he who hired Hubert de La Bouillerie to edit the film and Harold Faltermeyer and Gary Chang to compose the music. Chang provided additional music near the ending of the movie because Faltermeyer could not return to re-score the final reel of the film as it was constantly being edited because Warner Bros. kept complaining on cut after cut of it. Because of the massive re-editing, some plot parts and even some action scenes were deleted.

The theatrical trailer was made by using the footage and scenes from one of the earlier cuts of the movie. This is why it shows some deleted and alternate scenes which were changed or cut from the movie during the re-editing; alternate cut of the scene where Tango and Cash first meet in warehouse, alternate cut of shower scene between Tango and Cash, deleted or alternate fight scene between Cash and Chinese assassin during which Cash says "I hate you karate guys", and a deleted scene in which Tango is reading the newspapers and then pulls out Spas 12 shotgun at someone and shoots at some car with it. The trailer also shows extra shots from some other scenes.


This article from '89 also mentions some of these problems aswell;

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-11-01/entertainment/ca-69_1_stallone- films

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Stallone's films, can allegedly be notorious for production difficulties and character enhancements.......think NIGHT HAWKS-81'......when there were director replacements, editing issues and alternative cuts made and Stallone's frail ego getting upset over support characters—Rutger Hauer as the vilain—stealing scenes away from his own focus. We ended up with a good thriller, that could have been potentially strong and great.

TANGO & CASH, while entertaining if you're in the mood, is pretty much just a run of the mill buddy cop actioner. It tries to emulate the chemistry and style of the superior LETHAL WEAPON 1 & 2 films and BEVERLY HILLS COP and goes overboard with forced phoned in humor, a hammy performance by Jack Palance as the bad guy and various other stereotypes.

Diretor Andrei Konchalovsky, is a fine action and drama director in his own right, (Runaway Train-85 & Shy People-87') and it is disconcerting to see that clueless producers can't trust their hired directors, for the sake of trends and the almighty dollar—no integrity. While it is stated that Konchalovsky had praise for Stallone on the set, Stallone was likely taking over directorial duties away from him too. Replacement director, Albert Magnoli, was probably hired as a front for Stallone. We could have had a better film, if the original DP Barry Sonnenfeld had not been fired, (poor Stallone didn't think he looked good enough) and Konchalovsky was allowed to give the film a more serious edge.

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......intended star, Patrick Swayze dropped out, then principal photography began without a completed script.

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I know this happens on occasions and rewrites can get done on a completed script, during the filming process; but when millions of dollars are at stake and one or your leading men drops out at the last moment, wouldn't it have been wise to delay the production for a short spell, to sort out the loose ends. Surely it would be preferable to have a whole script when shooting begins, at least you have some light at the end of the tunnel to work towards. Changes can then be made later.

Sounds like a release schedule was contracted and producers were concerned about their investors; but you can't always guarantee a film is going to be a hit. This cost $55mill and only just broke even with it's budget. What an obscene waste of $$$, on a film that technically bombed and was only average, as an actioner. There was no real passion, heart pounding excitement or genuine thrills in the end product.

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The theatrical trailer shows some alternate and deleted scenes; alternate cut of shower scene between Tango and Cash, deleted or alternate fight scene between Cash and Chinese assassin during which Cash says "I hate you karate guys"


That reminds me of something that Cynthia Rothrock claimed in the October 1991 issue of Martial Arts Illustrated: "Sly asked me if I could get Jackie to arrange the fights and stunts for Tango & Cash, and I had to explain that Chan was such a huge star in the Far East, he would never work for anyone in the West again."

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This is a really good thread. I learned quite a bit about this film’s troubled production, had no idea.

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