Is Miyagi-Do Karate really that good?
Seems like Daniel is always getting whooped but somehow he manages to win by a single punch at the end.
sharewhich part is he being whupped here and which part does he win with a single punch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeTP2ZbmcKg
NRC is correct, I'm referring to the films. But on a side note: it's crazy how young Macchio still looks today. Dude looks like he's in his 40s, might even pass for 30s. damn....
I've only watched a few eps of Cobra Kai. I might get into it sometime in the future but I really wasn't that impressed with S1 ep 1&2. I suppose it gets better?
It’s an entertaining show but it doesn’t stay true to the trilogy.
shareWas is ever going to be a true sequel to the trilogy though?
I mean, the actors are all over 60 now.
It stays very true to the trilogy. It just doesn't go the way YOU wanted it to.
shareIf it’s so true to the trilogy why did Mr Miyagi die? Wasn’t he supposed to be invincible or something?
shareIf it’s so true to the trilogy why did Mr Miyagi die? Wasn’t he supposed to be invincible or something?
You are an absolute clown. Miyagi is/was a human being. Human beings die you idiot.
You’re the one who said he was invincible like Yoda. Just calling out your unforced error and latest defeat.
shareI reiterated what one of the Kai said in saying he was like the Yoda of the KK universe, but I never said he was immortal. Come to think of it Yoda died too.
Your defeat was signed, sealed and delivered the moment you posted this idiotic premise that Miyagi was unable to die of illness or old age. Nobody else ever proposed such nonsense.
Wrong YOU proposed it when you compared Miyagi to Yoda. Yoda didn’t die he showed up and chilled all the time just had a bit of a glow to him is all. You said that Miyagi was just like Yoda. I asked the simple question about why did he die then and now you're feebly trying to backtrack and actually blame a Kai for giving you the idea to plagiarize. Consider yourself defeated… again.
sharehaha.. funny conversation going on here. :)
Miyagi is kind of magical. I mean, he can rub his hands together and heal people. He can break huge blocks of wood with his bare hands. Although, he never could catch a fly with chopsticks. haha...
Couldn't he?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMjGfn3iXhs
Never ever said Miyagi or Yoda was immortal. That is a conclusion you have drawn and now use this false conclusion as an argument.. You were wrong then and you are wrong now. Also once again you have wandered off topic to try and gain a victory. Epic fail.
shareWA you are deliberately being obtuse. Yoda is immortal FACT. You claimed that Miyagi was just like Yoda FACT. Therefore logically you believe that Miyagi was immortal. You are now drowning in you own ignorance. Consider yourself once again defeated by the Kai.
shareYou posted this at 3.00am. your mind must be muddled as usual.
Yoda died of old age. End of.
Logically I do not believe that Miyagi is immortal as he also died of old age/illness.
Once again you are clutching at straws. Furthermore you are trying to move the goal posts to suit your argument. The writer of the KK movies never ever claimed what you are claiming, ergo your argument regarding Yoda/Miyagi lacks any coherence seeing as it wasn't me who wrote the original movies or the Cobra Kai show. Your argument regarding Yoda/Miyagi is just you being obtuse. You have lost. Suck it up.
Yoda did NOT die. Imagine if you were immortal like Yoda and got hit by a car and then came into work the next day. Your coworkers would say ‘WA…. didn’t you get hit by a car and die yesterday?’ You would say “No I didn’t die I’m immortal I just have this glow from now on.”
shareYoda never went to work the next day did he?
Furthermore, as I said the writers of the KK movies never said Miyagi was like Yoda. Neither did the writers of Cobra Kai, so your point is as irrelevant as you.
Wrong again. Yoda showed up just days later at Endor to chill with his fellow immortals Anakin and Obi Wan. Besides it was YOU who said that Miyagi was like Yoda. This is clearly not the case unless Miyagi is immortal like Yoda is. So YOU are wrong and have been defeated. Accept your defeat.
shareThey were force ghosts. No one could see them but Luke. If they were immortal then where are they in the new trilogy?
Besides it was YOU who said that Miyagi was like Yoda.
I reiterated what a Kai said. The original comparison came from your side. Don't try and side step that one.
This is clearly not the case unless Miyagi is immortal like Yoda is.
See retort at beginning of post.
So YOU are wrong and have been defeated.
Actually that would make the Kai wrong for comparing the two.
Accept your defeat.
Accept yours.
Either way, what has that got to do with the writers of KK movies and Cobra Kai show? You seem to be going to great lengths to avoid that.
Force Ghosts can make themselves visible to anyone. Also force ghosts are just as real as before notice how in Return of the Jedi Obi Wan sits his glowing ass on a rock to take a load off. This is immortality. If someone told you that when you “die” you could go on as if nothings changed expect that you would glow from now on you’d consider that immortality.
shareForce Ghosts can make themselves visible to anyone.
You just made that up.
But enough of this nonsense. What has any of this got to do with the writers of the KK movies or the Cobra Kai show?
Typical dodge . Admit that you were being obtuse when you said Miyagi was like Yoda.
shareAlready discussed where it came from. That's a done thing. It was you who veered off on this tangent to avoid the initial question of what has that got to do with the writers of the movies or show.
Further communication will be 'OH LOOK EVERYONE, HERE'S THE MONKEY'. It's all you deserve right now.
It must be hard to keep getting beat by the Kai. You falsely claimed there was no such thing as a 7th Dan belt and I proved you wrong. You falsly claimed that Miyagi was just like immortal Yoda which was wrong. And to top it all off you referred to the Valley as the ‘San Fernandez Valley.” Its bad enough you killed benosheabutters but your constant inaccurate statements are even worse.
shareYou proved one thing and one thing only....you are an idiot. You can't wear a dojo!
OH LOOK EVERYONE, HERE'S THE MONKEY!
Proof that Yoda was immortal. Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong WA? https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Immortality
shareTwo can play at that game.
Yoda died on Dagobah in 4 ABY. Many believe Yoda died of old age and that he could not withstand the darkness plaguing the galaxy. But he died as a lesson to Luke that death isn't the end, but the beginning. While he truly died, he retained much of his living self.17 Mar 2022
See we can all google.
Daniel’s reckless business instincts and disdain for education implied he was on the road to poverty. Him growing up to become a successful auto dealer was highly improbable.
Conversely, Johnny was a blue blooded athlete with the world at his fingertips. He was destined for a leadership role in business or politics.
Silver was determined to make Cobra Kai a household name in the Valley and, with his billion dollar empire behind him, would have succeeded regardless of the result of the All Valley final. The show suggests he gave up on his dream that night while his years long friendship with Kreese (forged in the jungles of Vietnam) simply dissolved then and there.
He’s also a self made man in KKIII while Cobra Kai rewrites him as nepo baby.
It would be interesting to hear Kamen’s views on the show. Perhaps he feels similarly to how Mark Hamill does about Luke Skywalker in the new trilogy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYIAVvNH8rE
(“He’s not my Luke Skywalker.”)
You forget, person who catch fly with chopsticks can achieve anything. So yeah, it follows the message of the movies.
shareIf you don’t have a well formed counter argument, you may as well just not respond.
shareYou have no argument to start with. You have always joined in the chorus of the on line Kai who said Johnny would go on to be a Lawyer or something. I said he would end up as a maintenance guy. I also said dutch would end up in prison.
You guys always said Daniel (if he lived past the car lot in part 3) would end up destitute. I always felt he would succeed simply because he was lucky or because of Miyagi guiding him.
My predictions were a lot more accurate than yours it would seem. There is no need for a counter argument as the facts have proven you wrong.
The writers are obviously biased Daniel lovers who have rewritten both the past and present. Perhaps the board should produce its own unauthorized series to reflect the movies more accurately.
Unlike you who is a biased Silver lover eh?
shareSilver purchased 20 locations, making Kreese the biggest dojo operator in the Valley. Given their unlimited Dynatox resources, Daniel’s “win” over Barnes would have been just a small bump in the road. The series asserts that Kreese and Silver ended their partnership that night and abandoned their plans for expansion. It’s just not plausible.
shareIt's entirely plausible. The crowd threw their T-shirts back. Cobra Kai was not well liked at that point. It's likely nobody turned up at those 20 locations seeing as Barnes lost.
shareThere’s 1.8 million people in the Valley. A few dozen hooligans in the crowd throwing their shirts back would not have deterred their business plan. A glitzy marketing campaign would have erased the memory of Barnes’ “loss”.
shareOf course you would think that...you're an arsehole. Looks like history disagrees with you though.
shareArsehole? That’s cute. Did your mother teach you that?
Just pointing out the inconsistencies between KKIII and Cobra Kai. The writers should have consulted with the board for feedback.
Through grit and ingenuity, Silver pulled himself up by the bootstraps to turn Dynatox into a Fortune 500 company. There’s no reason Barnes losing to Daniel would have deterred him from his goals for the dojo.
The series should have opened with Cobra Kai being a Starbucks type franchise. Daniel, working as a maintenance man at the Reseda branch, forms a bond with an alienated boy eventually revealed to be Johnny’s son, who doesn’t see his dad very often due to his presidential campaign.
Just pointing out the inconsistencies between KKIII and Cobra Kai. The writers should have consulted with the board for feedback.
You mean you.
Through grit and ingenuity, Silver pulled himself up by the bootstraps to turn Dynatox into a Fortune 500 company.
And illegal deals to dump toxic sludge.
There’s no reason Barnes losing to Daniel would have deterred him from his goals for the dojo.
It wasn't just that. That was just the spark for anti-Kai feelings. They were banned for life from the All Valley. Silver came to the realisation that everything he did was all down to a kid winning a college Karate tournament. Kreese disappeared after having his ass handed to him by Miyagi again and losing consecutive All Valley tournaments despite Silvers best efforts.
The series should have opened with Cobra Kai being a Starbucks type franchise. Daniel, working as a maintenance man at the Reseda branch, forms a bond with an alienated boy eventually revealed to be Johnny’s son, who doesn’t see his dad very often because of his presidential campaign.
That sounds like something I made up and you guys on the board lapped up.
It wasn't just that. That was just the spark for anti-Kai feelings. They were banned for life from the All Valley. Silver came to the realisation that everything he did was all down to a kid winning a college Karate tournament. Kreese disappeared after having his ass handed to him by Miyagi again and losing consecutive All Valley tournaments despite Silvers best efforts.
These are all plot details the Cobra Kai writers filled in. They don’t ring true to the characters as we know them.
Why would the All Valley ban Cobra Kai, a staple of the tournament, for life? Daniel should’ve been banned for making a mockery of the final.
Everything Silver did was to help his friend get his groove back. It pained him to see Kreese down and out and he acted selflessly to get him back on his feet. He did nothing wrong.
Cobra Kai finished runners up in two consecutive tournaments. It would have been a disappointment but they could still hold their heads high, especially given the questionable refereeing.
Barnes showcased his prowess through the early rounds, winning over the crowd before dominating the defending champ. Despite the final result, he put on a good show of skill. The children in the audience would have been more in awe of him than Daniel. share
These are all plot details the Cobra Kai writers filled in. They don’t ring true to the characters as we know them.
No. We see the anti-Kai feelings at the end of KK3
Why would the All Valley ban Cobra Kai, a staple of the tournament, for life? Daniel should’ve been banned for making a mockery of the final.
Because of their antics at the 85 tournament. Keep up.
Everything Silver did was to help his friend get his groove back. It pained him to see Kreese down and out and he acted selflessly to get him back on his feet. He did nothing wrong.
He harassed and tortured a kid.
Cobra Kai finished runners up in two consecutive tournaments. It would have been a disappointment but they could still hold their heads high, especially given the questionable refereeing.
The only questionable refereeing was not disqualifying Barnes. Furthermore, we saw how Kreese handled second place the previous year.
Barnes showcased his prowess through the early rounds, winning over the crowd before dominating the defending champ. Despite the final result, he put on a good show of skill. The children in the audience would have been more in awe of him than Daniel.
His true character shone through in the final and he was judged on that.
You can perform whatever mental gymnastics you want but deep down, you know your wrong and don’t want to admit defeat.
shareAnd you can lie through your teeth, just don't expect people to believe it. I've addressed every single point that you have tried to present and I've done it based on the facts we see in the movies.
shareThey must broadcast a different version of the film in the UK. How can you be so consistently wrong on so many different levels?
What anti Kai feelings? They were protesting the result.
Daniel flouted the rules at every turn, chatting during Silver’s speech, running off the mat mid fight, and refusing to get to his line for the sudden death round. Johnson should have kicked his ass to the curb then and there.
Oh bullshit it doesn't. It's stays completely true to the the movies..explain how it doesn't....
shareStated it in my previous post.
Daniel was on a downward personal spiral in KKIII, battling drug addiction and morbid obesity. He shows terrible business acumen by dropping out of community college and squandering his tuition on the infamous Crap Shack. His future was bleak.
If the show had stayed true to the movies, he would be working as a maintenance man in a desolated Reseda apartment complex, catching flies in the store room while problems mounted.
Meanwhile, Johnny would have been a successful businessman or politician.
Needing a twist to hook audiences, the creators were subverting expectations by portraying Daniel as successful and Johnny as downwardly mobile. It works well enough (it’s an entertaining show), but it can’t be cited in discussion of the films. The continuity is too inconsistent.
Hahahahahahahaha....Daniel was 18 in movie 3. He had a lot of get up and go attitude. I can totally see him getting into cars sales. I thought you had a real theory ..
shareRewatch his deranged sales pitch for Mr Miyagi’s Little Trees. Would you purchase a vehicle from this raving nutcase?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjQm9liasHo
Yup.
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