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The Jamie/Thorn Trilogy is the most "Halloween spirited" out of the franchise?

posted 3 years ago by motorcycledriveb (303)
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I'm biased and I am weird because I like 4, 5, and 6 (producer's cut) the best out of the franchise. I also do like Rob Zombie's Halloween 2. My first exposure to the Halloween franchise was Halloween 4 and Halloween 5, since AMC replays them so much during October. I did not grow up watching the original Halloween.

So, the whole idea of the "thorn" rune. There's two names for it: "thorn" and "thurisaz". Thurisaz refers more to an etymology meaning "giant". But thorn refers to thorn, as in pricks and needles that grow out of the ground. I find that interesting, that Michael's power comes from thorn in this timeline because that does go in line concerning Samhain/Halloween.

Halloween/Samhain represents the end of "harvesting" or collecting the fruits of the land. When we collect our fruits of the ground, we find that not everything is exactly fruitful. Some fruits/plants are guarded by thorns. The ground supports the living (fruit), but it also supports the dead (thorns).

[–] Sidha108 (2735) 3 years ago

I actually like 4-6 (producer’s cut) more than what came after. Audiences seem to be tied to the fallacy that just because Jamie Lee Curtis is in a Halloween sequel automatically makes it better. To me, the relationship between Dr. Loomis and Michael is more interesting than the relationship between Michael and Laurie (especially after they removed the brother-sister relationship in the newer films) and there being something deeper to Michael’s killing nature other than he is just “evil” or “crazy” is way more intriguing and adds to the mystery/mythology of the series.

[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 3 years ago

Yes, me too. Exactly. I love Dr. Loomis's relationship with Michael more so than Laurie's.

Donald Pleasance looks better in the Jamie/Thorn trilogy than he did in the two original movies. Loomis looks so tired and jaded that he has to confront Michael again, I love that vibe of despair.

Halloween 6 (Producer's Cut) does serve as a conclusion in a way. Tommy was able to stop Michael entirely with the runes. That's never been done before or after Halloween 6. Everyone else uses brute force to stop Michael, but Tommy taps into spirituality in order to stop Michael. The spirituality is even hinted at in Halloween 4 with the Reverend that Loomis meets. "You cannot kill damnation. It does not die like a man dies." So, you have to call upon God or the force behind the runes in order to stop Michael.

Tommy seems like the "conclusion" of Jamie and Loomis. Jamie being the youngest one and Loomis being the wise elder - Tommy is a cross between the two of these personalities. Tommy fixes where these previous two mess up. What's interesting is that ultimately, the cult of Thorn attempted to "absorb" or recruit Jamie and Loomis. The Man in Black didn't want to kill them exactly, he wanted them to join the cult. That's interesting to me.

[–] Sidha108 (2735) 3 years ago

Interesting assessment about Tommy! I wish they would have continued this storyline in later Halloween films or at least acknowledge its existence so Tommy could return and become the spiritual successor to Loomis in fighting Michael/Thorn and exploring the mystery surrounding them.