Was Neil gay?


I saw Dead Poets Society for the first time, last Sunday at a Robin Williams tribute screening. I didn't connect with the movie, finding it endlessly tedious. Then out of nowhere, one of the boys commits suicide.

The suicide was so out of nowhere that I was laughing at the contrivance. But was there a reason for it?

This film is subtle in some ways. It's set in the '50s yet never makes any direct or overt reference to the time period. At first you could assume it was set in the decade it was filmed. Only after many small touches of costume and behaviour does the '50s setting become clear, and even then it's a guess. I wasn't sure whether it wasn't late '40s or early '60s until I read about the movie later.

Was Neil's plight equally underplayed? He had a domineering father and was being forced to give up things he loved to follow the path chosen by his father. Suicide seems such a bizarre reaction to that situation. He couldn't stand up to his father so he chose to defy him instead. Surely running away to start his own life was preferable to defiance through suicide? He was less than a year from legal independence and he was almost done with high school.

But if Neil was gay, then there was a much deeper issue. His father wouldn't accept his career wishes, or his passion for acting. One can imagine the reaction if Neil had told his father he was gay.

Being secretly gay gives a much more plausible motive for suicide. It wasn't a matter of waiting until he was 18, or finishing medical school in 10 years. It wasn't a matter of doing a job he didn't like instead of one he had passion for. It was about denying his true self for the rest of his life.

Neil's father could be seen as symbolic of wider 1950s USA society. There was nowhere to run, nowhere he would be accepted for who he was. Or at least, it must have seemed that way for a naive 17 year old.

In Neil's final moments, he strips naked in front of his open bedroom windows, feeling the winter night on his skin. He touches Puck's wreath from the play, a totem of the one night where he lived his passion and felt alive. It seems to me these are actions of a person desperate to be themselves, and feeling cornered by loved ones and a wider society that will never accept who he really is.

Faced with the three choices:

- a life of emotional and sexual repression

- rejection for being his true self

- suicide

his choice is more understandable. Even now, many gay teenagers commit suicide from despair of ever finding acceptance. In the social setting of Dead Poets Society, Neil's being gay seems the only thing that adequately explains Neil's choice.

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Neil did nothing in the film that would suggest he was gay, so I'll have to no he wasn't gay. ----- The one thing about the film that annoyed me, when Neil's father tells him to forget about acting in the play. Neil tells him his grades are straight "A"s. ----- If I had a son who keeps his grades up, I wouldn't mind what other interests he got into. ----- Rusty

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There was never any mention of Neil being gay in the movie.

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I felt that there were something more to it than 'just' his acting dream

 at least you got something right from the movie. There indeed was more to it than "just acting". It was about the bigger picture, being able to live the life he wanted, and not the life that was mapped out for him.


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No, I don't think he was,there was nothing to suggest it. In the current day people (I don't mean the OP, specificaly) see this as the overriding issue for many. I don't think that was the point here.

It was as Keating told him "carpe diem." For Neil, carpe diem was acting. For the other boy it was Chris. They could have had Chris reject the boy and would be the one who killed himself. Same point.

I half expected it to go there, and wouldn't have been surprised. They could have had Neil's father proud of the accomplishment too, but they were going with the "revolutionary" theme.

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I don't see how he was gay. He was interested in girls, I'm sure. The reason he committed suicide was that his father was going to take him out of Welton and put him in a military school so he could go to Harvard and be a doctor. Neil was unable to stand up to his dad and tell him that he wanted to act and felt that after his father told him to forget that, decided it was hopeless to fight him and felt this was the only way to defy his dad. Why is this so hard to comprehend? Jesus Christ.

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It wasn't addressed, but I believe his father feared it was so. His face when he was watching the play said it all, and how he yelled at Keating to stay away from his son. I think he thought that Keating's influence over his son would eventually allow him to express all of his emotions and he was very scared of that.

Just a feeling. It wasn't overt, by any means.

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I think before taking this into serious consideration one must be aware of the OP:

I didn't connect with the movie, finding it endlessly tedious. Then out of nowhere, one of the boys commits suicide.

This shows to me that since OP is clueless about whole theme of film, he has to invent this motive that Neil was gay. Even if that was the case, of which no hint was given, it wouldn't have any bearing on the film's theme. Maybe OP needs to see the film again, but yes, this film is not for everyone, and probably over the heads of many.

For who would bear the whips and scorns of Hollywood... (;-p)

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Carpe diem = suicide?

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"Carpe diem = suicide?"

Seize the gay.

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Seize the gay.
Seize, the gay boys!

For who would bear the whips and scorns of Hollywood... (;-p)

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"Maybe OP needs to see the film again"

Since teh OP admits to not paying attention to the film, maybe teh OP needs to actually watch the film for the first time.

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Since teh OP admits to not paying attention to the film, maybe teh OP needs to actually watch the film for the first time.


What are you talking about?

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The suicide was so out of nowhere that I was laughing at the contrivance. But was there a reason for it?


Acting was much more than just a career choice. Acting is what made Neil feel alive. To spend the rest of his life in misery was to have no real life. Realistically, his father was never going to allow Neil to live his own life and was incapable of understanding Neil. Did you notice how carefully his father lined up his slippers? Talk about anal retentive.

The point is that everyone isn't going to be strong enough to seize the day. Make life what THEY choose it to be. Unlike Neil, both Todd and Knox had the courage to fight for what they wanted. Knox fighting for a girl with a scary boyfriend and Todd overcoming his shyness and risking expulsion by standing up on the desk.

In a sense, this movie is about all of us. How many people let their dreams die because they fear taking risks to make them happen?

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Acting was much more than just a career choice. Acting is what made Neil feel alive. To spend the rest of his life in misery was to have no real life. Realistically, his father was never going to allow Neil to live his own life and was incapable of understanding Neil. Did you notice how carefully his father lined up his slippers? Talk about anal retentive.


Why did acting make him feel so alive? He'd done one performance. What happened to him in that moment?

Why did he strip down then touch his costume? Wasn't that linking his real/naked self to his acting?

I think the acting was the first time he didn't have to play it straight. His character was a camp fantasy creature. He didn't have to hide any mannerisms or pretend to be like the other boys. He also may have found a measure of acceptance from the cast and crew of the play.

He could have run away to become an actor. He couldn't have run away to become gay… well, he could have, but maybe a naive 1950s schoolboy didn't know there were places he could go to find a measure of acceptance.


The point is that everyone isn't going to be strong enough to seize the day. Make life what THEY choose it to be. Unlike Neil, both Todd and Knox had the courage to fight for what they wanted. Knox fighting for a girl with a scary boyfriend and Todd overcoming his shyness and risking expulsion by standing up on the desk.


Yes, but Neil didn't seem particularly unhappy. The suicide came out of nowhere.

Suicide is a strong choice. It takes a hell of a lot more strength than standing on a desk.

How could his passion for acting alone drive him to such serious action?

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He could have been, but there's nothing concrete enough to prove it one way or another, so we'll never know. He reacted pretty favourably to that female centrefold, but then some people will say he was just putting on an act to fit in. I see no reason to ascribe him as gay, going on current statistics the odds are more likely that he wasn't. There are plenty of other movies for young (or old) gay people struggling in the closet to relate to where it's not a guessing game. The only way to finalise your argument would be to go directly to the writers and producers for an answer.

In response to some of your questions, I believe he stripped down in order to symbolise the freedom he was about to grant himself with the gun, notice how he folded his pyjamas and school uniform the same way, and all in neat right angles? That was symbolic of leaving his strict, rigid, set-out life behind and going out into the wild unknown, unencumbered by rules or the material trappings of the iron will of his father.

Not to mention it's a common behaviour of people who commit suicide to 'get their affairs in order', things like cleaning their house, packing up all their stuff, even getting a haircut. Neatening everything out so that they can go knowing they tied up all the loose ends of their life, and the people who find them will have less to sort out.

You can view it as an allegory for being gay, others will view it as allegories for other things, like anorexia or drug addiction or wanting freedom from an oppressive religious upbringing, it works just as well for many aspects of the human condition.

I don't think viewing his love of playing a 'camp fantasy creature' like Puck as evidence of him being gay is very healthy, it's stereotyping. Would you think that if his role had happened to be a more 'masculine' Shakespeare role like Claudius or Tybalt? He tried out for Puck because he wanted the biggest role he could get, and A Midsummer Night's Dream was the play they happened to be putting on when he tried out.

One could easily use your theories to apply to the other boys, not just Neil. Todd displays a lot of behaviour that could be put down to his being gay. His shyness, his awkwardness around other boys, his unwillingness to speak publicly or reveal his inner self through poetry, his sobbing breakdown after he found out Neil was dead.
Charlie's keen interest in girls and campaign to get girls attending the school could be construed as an energetic ruse to disguise his true sexuality, his acting out could be construed as frustration at having to live a lie, and then there's that horribly homoerotic spanking scene with the headmaster.
Even the 'cat sat on the mat' boy could be labelled gay in a traditional 'dumb jock is secretly gay' way a la Glee. You can always find reasons to label a person gay, doesn't mean they are, and in the lack of substantial evidence, as I said, statistics strongly suggest that the more likely assumption is to assume that they are not.


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