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Why did Gus make these decisions?


Scene:
Gus in the creek talking to Blue Duck. Blue Duck rides away down the creek with his back to Gus. Gus could easily have shot him.

WHY didn't he?



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Scene:

Gus is on plains running from guys . . . Gus runs his horse into a little gully and stabs the horse . . . WHY did he kill the horse?


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Gus picks off about 4 guys from his position in the gully.

The remaining 4-5 guys stay their distance - one guy (white guy 28th long hair) pulls out something like a sharps carbine, sets it up
and nearly hits Gus. Gus fires back short - the guy then stands up and mocks Gus (thinking he's out of range)
But Gus shoots him.

QUESTION - when the long hair guy is shot, and starts to fall down 2-3 of the other guys catch him - Gus coulda got 1 or two more of them right then -
Why didn't he?

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I do not have an answer to question one. I have often wondered the same thing. Maybe it has to do with Gus being a retired lawman. It would be unethical to shoot someone in the back, even a criminal.


In the book it explains that Gus kills his horse so he will have something to hide behind. He stabbed it in the neck so it would spill much blood on the ground while dying. Horses are spooked by the smell of blood. When the chasing horses got near enough to smell the blood they would get all skittish and this would give Gus an opportunity to shoot several of the pursuers as they fight to get their horses under control.


It took Gus a long time to set up the shot that hits Dog Face. He did not have time to set up another shot. The men ran in and quickly grabbed him and drug him back to a safe distance.



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Wow ... I learn somethin' new everyday!
I didn't know that about horses! Makes things much clearer ...
Thanx!

(I surely need to read the book someday)

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Yeah, the blood thing is explained in the novel, not the mini series though. Probably should have been explained, a good opportunity would have been later on when Gus told Roscoe he killed his horse to use it as a fort, but it was also because of blood scaring away the horses of his attackers so they could not overrun him. Without the blood of the horse they would have overrun and killed him.

As for not shooting Blue Duck when he rode away, this was not really explained in the novel, but more than likely it was simply because Gus was to principled in that area, it was a point of honor for lawmen that you just didn't shoot people in the back. Even a monster like Blue Duck. You just didn't do it if you lived by a certain code. Of course some might argue it would have been worth it killing Blue Duck would undoubtedly save lives, but some were just even so bound by honor.

A second possible reason I have never heard suggested was that Gus had Lorena with him. Had Gus tried to shoot Blue Duck in the back at that point, it was always possible as good a shot as he was he might miss or fail to kill Blue Duck outright, and start a fight with Blue Duck at that point, and if he lost Lorena would have been in immediate trouble.

So its possible he held off shooting Blue Duck out of consideration for Lorena, because if he fought him and lost, she would have been in for it.



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The problem isn't that Gus didn't try to kill Blue Duck on the spot.
The problem is that he left Lori for even half a minute when he realized Blue Duck was still in the vicinity. I completely fault Gus and McMurtry for this huge lapse that resulted in such terrible suffering for Lori and even July Johnson and son, Roscoe and Janey.

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The problem isn't that Gus didn't try to kill Blue Duck on the spot.
The problem is that he left Lori for even half a minute when he realized Blue Duck was still in the vicinity. I completely fault Gus and McMurtry for this huge lapse that resulted in such terrible suffering for Lori and even July Johnson and son, Roscoe and Janey.


I agree that it made no sense for Gus to leave Lorena after that. But Gus was an easy-going guy in most matters; and would never try to force his decisions on somebody else, particularly a woman, and one like Lorena. Gus was philosophical about life; and he knew things just happened. You make your own decisions; and that's that. Of course, he could have simply stayed with her.

What makes even less sense is that he sent a young pup like Newt to check on her. Newt would never have had the slightest hope of dealing with Blue Duck.

What makes NO sense at all is that Blue Duck did not kill Newt. It was shown that Blue Duck was a casual killer -- he liked it. He would never have just knocked Newt senseless and left him. Not only did he kill Roscoe, but he slit the throats of two children -- for no reason. He did not even need to enter their camp. He just did it.

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(I surely need to read the book someday)


What?!?!?

Get thee to a library ASAP! This book is a masterpiece; and well deserving of the Pulitzer McMurtry got for it.

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. . . I am sure gonna do it - I'm hoping they'll have the book 'on tape' so I can listen to it while I work or travel!!

Since y'all explained my questions so well I totally 'get it' . . .

And yeh, the thing where Gus left Lori was a big Q to me too ... Why didn't he just take her with him - he said bc Jake might come back . . . ? If ya had to choose between dealin' wih the heinous-serial-killing
Blue Duck or the-cowardly-immature Jake - of course you'd handle Jake easily . . .
So yeh - that amounted to a plot hole which simply created a lot of ensuing scenes of tension & suspense, a plot hole which I overlooked bc I LOVE this whole movie . . . lol



I hope I read some of y'alls comments again - really enjoyed the exchange with people who appreciate these movies.

Anyone up for goin' over to the Buffalo Girls board? ;D

(I know - it's a completely different kind of 'western')

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Gus regrets that he didn't shoot Blue Duck in the creek. But, as Call said, it was pretty risky. Gus was not in the best position. Blue Duck was very dangerous; and it could have gone badly. And, I guess, just thinking about it from McMurtry's possible point of view -- he had more to write about Blue Duck.

Gus killed the horse, with regret, to use him for cover. They were on the plains. Gus had no place to hide except a very short little arroyo. I daresay many a horse during those years met a similar fate when their riders needed them. At that point, the horse was more valuable dead than alive.

I'm guessing Gus needed more time to set up a long-range shot like that; and by then, the guys were back out of range. Gus did get them, quickly and neatly, later on in Blue Duck's camp; at short range with his pistol.

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In the novel it is stated by Gus that the reason he did not shoot blue duck when he had the advantage was because he did not know who he was. By the time Mr duck had told him, Gus told call that he no longer had the advantage making it a more risky situation to make a move. He claimed he would have killed him but may have also been wounded himself, and did not care to travel to Montana with a wound.

To respond to the question of why he left newt to guard Lorena, that was explained in the novel by the fact that deets had tracked blue duck a long ways from both Lorena and the cow camp before he lost his trail. They were more worried about duck stealing horses than Lorena and increased the guard on the horses. Gus also later blames the fact that he had spent too much time drinking whiskey and had been idle for too long as the reason he didn't really believe blue duck would go after Lorie. Hope that helps

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