Who is your no1 suspect


I dont mean just the suspects in the film,but all the ones that have been recorded in books and documentries.I personally hold with the David Cohen theory.What is yours?

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Hello darling,i believe Jack the Ripper was a woman,a Jill the Ripper,the oldest theory of all,because they are doing DNA tests to see if it was a woman,i dont know how they are doing this.Interesting though.

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what a load of rubbish; they are not doing DNA testing, as there is no DNA evidence at all left over from the cases. Okay, so if it was "Jill the Ripper" - explain how Eddowes was seen with a man, matching the standard JTR description, 10 mins before hear body was found.

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The DNA they are hoping to get comes from fragments of the victims clothing which Scotland Yard still have,for instance the blood soaked piece of apron which was found thrown into a door way,it was the matching piece to the rest of the torn apron that Catherine Eddowes was wearing.Scotland Yard have a few items like this,as the case remains unsolved.Forensics wont be able to tell who the killer was but they will be able to tell whether the killer was male or female,and maby if they had any diseases.And one of the earliest theories was that the killer was a woman,but they didnt consider it for very long and yet they still keep coming back to this theory.The witnesses all gave different descriptions of suspects so they couldnt be wholly relied upon,and still cant be.I read an article in a news paper a few months back,{i think it was the mirror}about the DNA testing their doing,you can think it is rubbish if you want,but this is what i have read.They have tried every other angle in solving the crime so this may be a new breakthrough.

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I dont think your theory is going down to well Vic

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O.K., friend, few things you maybe aren't aware of. This could get complicated so bear with me. First off, whilst it is generally agreed that the piece of blood-stained apron found in the doorway did come from Catherine Eddowes clothing, it is now accepted that it was not placed there intentionally by her killer (ie, the Ripper). New reports recently discovered revealed how most senior policemen, and modern-day experts, believe the Ripper dropped the apron elsewhere, and it was carried there by a stray dog or some such method unrelated to the killing. As for it being found near the infamous writing on the wall - 'the Juwes are the Men That will Not be Blamed for Nothing' - the scene of this writing (the true location of which was discovered less than 20 years ago) was literally just around the corner from a huge Jewish market place. Modern-day linguists have 'deciphered' the phrase as 'The Jews Are the Men Who Won't Take the Blame for Anything', basically meaning it was written by a customer who felt that he had been ripped-off at the Jewish market. It almost certainly had nothing to do with the Eddowes murder. History, especially crime, is full of strange little inconsistences and circumstances like these, and, when people look hard enough to find some kind of meaning in them, they invariably will. By the way, there are LOADS of other little details like this, especially surrounding Mary Jane Kelly's last hours, so if you want to know them, just ask.

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I think one of the most puzzeling incidents was MJK's front door being locked,i mean why would the Ripper lock the door after he had killed {mutilated}her,she had lost the key some weeks earlier,and used the trick of putting her hand through the broken window pane to lock it on the inside,it was a trick that only her and partner Joseph Barnett knew unless they had told someone else or was she being watched,When her body was discovered the police had to break down the door,so it was definately locked on the inside.Some modern researchers feel Joseph Barnett may have been the Ripper,but i cant see that,if the police didnt have any reason to suspect him at the time,and they would have obviously questioned him,i dont know why we should suspect him now.And he certainly wouldnt have mutilated her to that extent, why?It seems that most of the original suspects have now been eliminated,[like Micheal Ostrog as they have found records of him being in prison for all of 1888]but modern researchers keep bringing up new suspects,which seems to be taking us further and further away from the truth.It seems that people now are not giving the police of 1888 much credit for their character anaylisis of suspects, these were street wise men they patrolled the streets all day and spoke to the public all the time,they could spot a crook a mile off,well Whitechapel had many crooks.Modern researchers have never been able to eliminate Kosminski,instead more and more evidence seems to keep slowly cropping up which definately does point more and more in his direction.Will Andersons notes ever be turned into a diary or book?i havent heard anything yet,it would be interesting to see.

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That is actually not true.There have been attempts to dna testing the stamps that have been sent to the police.The problem is to know which letter is genuine,if any letter is?.Walter sickert is reported to have sent some of the letters if you read cornwalls book.

In the Eddowes case Jacob levy was interesting and his father was at the scene before the murder took place.

IMHO i think the ripper could have been Tumblety as many things point to him.

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If you are really interested in this,then check out the website,The Jack The Ripper case bookfiles or http//forum.casebook.org/ its really interesting,its where they have lots of different message boards and you can share your views with others.With found there is a definate link between Kosminsky/Cohen/Kasminsky probably all the same person,its trying to piece it all together is the problem.We believe the letters are all hoaxes and probably the work of the press at the time,the only one thats probably genuine is the one titled 'From Hell'which isnt signed Jack The Ripper.James Tumblety was a homosexual and usually homosexual serial killers murder their own sex,and he was a tall man for his day,the eyewitnesses description was of someone much shorter.Personally i wouldnt hold with the view that JTR was of the middle or upper classes of the time as Spitalfields in Whitechapel was a very dangerous area to be walking around in the early hours in the dark,and its not an easy place to know your way around.The killer must have been local to know all the quickest escape routes,and to be able to dodge where the police were patrolling,after all he didnt just escape once,he got away five times.The Kosminski character lived in Spitalfields as it seems at no fixed address,he lived solitry in derelict buildings or in uninhibated houses in the area,and researchers have just found that he had a relative living in Goulston Street,which is where the bloodstained apron and graffiti was found.But the search goes on.

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Just got to say, I've always thought that the Kosminsky/Cohen/Kasminsky connection has been too easily ignored. I'm glad to see someone here giving it the weight it deserves. I've read a recent account based on supposedly new evidence (I can't remember all the details off-hand) but it sheds even more light on the theory, making it even more plausible. Let me know if you're interested and I'll make a point of hunting out the information and posting it here for you.

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Yes i would be interested on the latest info,as long as you dont have to go to a lot of trouble to find it,what you said about the graffiti makes a lot of sense.

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totally disagree with the David Cohen theory - may as well call him "John Doe" as David Cohen was a generic name used for Jews. Sadly, I think that if it is not Severin Klosowski (Abberline told Godley that he was JTR when Klosowski was arrested for other murders several years later) or the elusive G Wentworth Bell Smith, then we will never know!

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on the itv london news tonight,scotland yard documents saying that they believe it was kosminski were released.But i dont think we will ever really know 100%.

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I heard they were going to announce it on the news,but i missed it,did they really announce him as Aaron Kosminski,oh dear'he is buried with a headstone in a whitechaple graveyard,thats going to become a bloody big sight seeing spot for enthusiasts and tourists.I know they will never be 100% sure but it seems that the no1 suspect has never left whitechapel,i saw a photo of the grave in a book once and there was something about it,it did look eerie.

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The Kosminski theory doesn't hold any ground with me because he became a suspect after someone identified him as the man who attacked Liz Stride, but many people, myself included don't believe Stride to be a Ripper victim because her throat was cut from left to right and not right to left like all the other victims. The ripper choked his victims and carefully placed them on the ground, cutting their throats from left to right ( this method stopped him from getting covered in blood ) he isn't about to just attack someone loudly and stupidly in front of witnesses like Kosminski.

as for Barnett.... he would have to be seriously stupid to lock the door after brutally slaying his lover, when he and the aforementioned are the only two people that know how to lock the door.

I personally think The Ripper stalked his victims ( certainly Mary Kelly ) sometimes for hours beforehand and in this way he could have learned how to open and shut the door to Mary Kelly's house.

I don't believe that he was a doctor either because out of a total 13 doctors who examined all the bodies in the case, only one said it was the work of a professional. All the others laughed this theory off completely. The Ripper at best had a very basic grasp of anatomy.

My top 3 suspects would probably read in no particular order, something like this:

W.H Bury
Severin Klosowski ( George Chapman )
Francis Tumblety

The only thing going against Chapman as a Ripper suspect is his drastic change in modus operandi - could someone go from a mutilating killer into a scheming, wife poisoner ?

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DNA information can, of course be analyzed after a hundred years, but I can't believe that the information found is the killer(s). Even if the evidence, clothes etc. have been stored, do not think for a moment that tens, propably hundreds of people haven't touched them since and added their own dna to it.

As for the ripper being a woman. I think that it's likelier that it's an alien than just one woman or even just one man. I think it's a cult that worships the devil, with rich people in it. I don't know since I wasn't there, but it's far mor propable than any one madman or doctor.

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well i find the joe barnett one interesting for the reason that this was the only murder (to my knowledge so im open to correction) that the murder took place in the victims home and if the door was locked as the killer left and it was a trick lock that at least only two people knew about then that is certainly cause for suspicion. Unless barnett did kill her and having realised what he had done cut her up to make it look like part of the ripper killings to knock suspicion away from himself, thats just one possible theory, im sure it can easily be dismissed though, i havnt read up much on the history im afraid.

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I definitely lean toward the David Cohen theory as well.

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Ive always gone with the David Cohen theory,although for some reason we keep coming back to the Joseph Barnett theory,why didnt the police ever suspect him at the time?
Now days we know that the average serial killer appears to be just the average man,average height average looks and is easily overlooked and doesnt stand out in a crowd.Joseph Barnett was just an average man who knew everyone and could be lost in a crowd.
if the murders were happening now days he would definately be high on the list of suspects.

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Zulus......thousands of 'em.


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Thats the most original theory yet {and who knows}
LOL

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In his 20s or 30s, middling height (c 5'7'), stocky build, shabby genteel clothes-not a labouring man, possible moustache. Probably wore a peaked cap type hat. Unremarkable appearance and manner. Not a frothing at the mouth maniac, but a cunning and controlled sadistic psychopath. Possibly not English.

Maybe Jack was George Chapman.
Polish origin. Known mass murderer. Physically hurt women-poisoned his "wives". Fits physical descriptions of "Jack" reasonably well and Jack's psychopathy. Had medical knowledge and practical medical experience. Living in the area at the time of the murders. May have committed similar killing later when in the USA. Plausible-could hide his true nature convincingly. Abberline, the main investigating police officer felt Chapman a top candidate.

But he could just as well have been "Joe Soap" from 25 Dorset Street, anonymous then and now.

He was certainly not-

The Duke of Clarence
Sir William Gull-pulleeeze!!
John Netley
"Jill the Ripper"
"Dr Stanley"
Michael Ostrog
James Maybrick

No real evidence for-

Kominski
Joe Barnett
MJ Druitt
George Hutchinson



Sucks to Michael Caine's Abberline-wrong one!


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