I rooted for Karl!


Revenge is always a powerful and sympathetic force that drives and fuels action hero characters. Other have pointed out that what makes Die Hard unusual, from a narrative structure perspective, is that it's actually Hans and his men who are the protagonists and John McClane who is the antagonist.
Karl, like a hero in any Western, is a man on a mission when someone comes along and thwarts his plans and kills someone he loves. He subsequently loses interest in what has hitherto been his objective, which entails the pursuit of material wealth, and redirects all his energy toward pursuing a far more noble goal--honoring a fallen comrade, and loved one, no less. Once he loses his brother Tony at McClane's hands early in the film he subsequently spends the last few hours of his own life dedicated and devoted to avenging his sibling because he loves him so much.
The rage and grief in Alexander Godunov's face that he shows for the rest of the movie has always deeply touched me, and truly rams home the point that Karl is a man who puts family above all else and will do anything for those he loves. The way he flies into a rage and flips the table over in the office crying out for McClane's blood is haunting and moving, as is the conviction and fervor with which he tells his subordinates "No one kills him but me!"
He reminds Hans that he doesn't want McClane neutralized, but dead.
When he at last has his chance to even the score for Tony he takes his time kicking McClane to death because he wants him to suffer. Alas, this permits McClane to acquire the upper hand and kill *him* and Karl's determination to avenge his brother enables him to not only come back to life but survive an explosion and make one final, last ditch effort to send his brother's killer to his own Maker, in full view of hundreds of witnesses. Karl doesn't care if he goes down in the process. All that matters is punishing the man who took his one and only beloved sibling from him.
We should all drink to Karl Vreski. The terrorist/thief who ultimately put FAMILY above everything else.

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In that respect, Karl had a lot in common with John. Both were fighting for their family.

Alexander Godunov’s performances in this and in Witness were excellent and made him a real standout. It is a shame his acting career was so short. Such a tragic early death. RIP

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Well if we're going to throw family tragedy in to the mix then poor Jason Voorhees, witnessing his mother get her head chopped off by that bitch in Friday 13th, actions were totally understandable.

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Karl had a lot in common with John. Both were fighting for their family.
And they were both professionals. Karl himself conceded as much to John right before he almost blew his head off.

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Alexander Godunov’s performances in this and in Witness were excellent and made him a real standout. It is a shame his acting career was so short. Such a tragic early death. RIP
I want to see Witness. I've heard it's fantastic and that Godunov is at least as impressive--and expressive--there as in Die Hard.

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Great film. Godunov is very impressive in Witness and adds an understated humor to his character with his expressions. You can spot a young Viggo Mortensen in a tiny part of it too.

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His brother was played by the same guy who played Necros in The Living Daylights just one year prior.

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His brother was played by the same guy who played Necros in The Living Daylights just one year prior.
I know, right?! Funnily enough, he meets his end the same way Hans does in this movie. Falling from a great height, albeit from a plane instead of a skyscraper.

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You are wrong in saying Hans is the protagonist. I think you have to be a psychopath to feel sympathy for a man who blows an unarmed man's head off with a gun.

Edit: Also there is the fact Hans and his men want to blow up 30 defensless people so they can get away with $640million of bearer bonds. There is the saying the love of money is the root of all evil and Hans and his men prove this saying.

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You are wrong in saying Hans is the protagonist. I think you have to be a psychopath to feel sympathy for a man who blows an unarmed man's head off with a gun.
Wrong. The protagonist is the character whose actions and motivations drive a story, and the antagonist is there to thwart them. You don't have to sympathize with the protagonist. Hans can be thought of as the Villain Protagonist while McClane is the Hero Antagonist. I refer you to those entries on the Television Tropes and Idiom page.
And as I'm sure many others have said, there is so much about Hans that makes him a respectable and intriguing character, even if his goals are morally indefensible. He's cool, suave, charming, funny, dapper, handsome, articulate, cultured, and as committed to his mission as a human being can possibly be.

How did we get to be talking about Hans? This thread was supposed to be about Karl :)

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I can't believe you're defending Karl or Hans. They are completely evil and I don't feel sorry for either of them when they die at the end. The fact you're defending guys who want blow up 30 unarmed people makes me a bit angry at you. You're defending evil demented scumbags. John McClaine is the protagonist and rightfully kills all these evil men who want to blow up 30 defenseless people. Next thing you know you're gonna tell me you have good feelings for Osama bin Ladin.

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Hans (for all his obvious intelligence and cunning) made a serious mistake by putting brothers on the same team.

While you can get a increase in efficiency, the downside is too great.

If one gets killed, your team is in danger. The living sibling might become so distraught that he/she is essentially useless. Or worse, so angered to take revenge that they might go rouge and disobey orders or lose focus on the objective.

Never put brothers on dangerous small team operations together.

Pretty sure Navy Seals, SWAT, miliary and other professional tactical operatives know this.

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Hans (for all his obvious intelligence and cunning) made a serious mistake by putting brothers on the same team.

While you can get a increase in efficiency, the downside is too great.

If one gets killed, your team is in danger. The living sibling might become so distraught that he/she is essentially useless. Or worse, so angered to take revenge that they might go rouge and disobey orders or lose focus on the objective.

Never put brothers on dangerous small team operations together.

Pretty sure Navy Seals, SWAT, miliary and other professional tactical operatives know this.
Very well said. I did not think of that.

As long as we're on the subject, I've often thought that a great alternative version of Die Hard would have been if Tony had lived longer, perhaps until the end like his brother. It's established early in the film when they cut the phone lines that the brothers have a rivalry going on and like to mess with each other in a loving, affectionate way as siblings often do. If Hans had sent someone else, maybe Marco or Franco, to check out the fire signal and it was they who McClane offed then perhaps Tony and Karl could have been motivated to kill him by their game of one-up-man-ship, with each brother wanting to beat the other in nailing McClane first.

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A always wondered why Hollywood never offered various alternative endings in films.

It would be kind of cool to have say 4-8 different endings in a movie, not all positive.

I know it would be a gamble, but if the story is good, the repeat business would well make up for the cost.

They do this in video games already, why not movies.

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^^^Agreed.

Redsfan001, if the blonde bros had survived to the end, do you think they would have been motivated to get John McClane by their sibling rivalry?

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It also would have been interesting if Karl was the first guy McClane killed and Tony was out for revenge the rest of the movie. I think Tony would have held his rage in check though. He seemed calmer and more stoic than his hot-headed brother, as illustrated in the phone-cutting scene.

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Nah. Karl was a terrorist, who was okay with killing whoever he had to for money. F him and his thankfully dead brother.

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Yeah, reminds me of "Patriot Games," where Sean Bean's character was out for revenge for his brother who was himself a terrorist

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