Victor Salva movies.


Wow had no idea , learned about Salva being a peodophile while looking at a "Nightmare on elm street 2" board (Salva name came out when we were talking about the homoerotic vibe on that particular film because someone brought up "Powder" who has the same thing going on).
I hated powder but I liked Jeepers creepers a lot and I used to watch Clownhouse as a kid and liked it allso but after learning about the director I really dont think I could ever watch his film the same way again.I never really saw anything wrong with clownhouse , yeh the kids were half naked at the begining but again most boys are when they are about to go to bed but now that I know about this just looking at it makes me think that this fat pig of a man had other motives for filming these scenes at the begining.
This is really disturbing..........

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Okay, check this out: there's a 1983 cult horror movie that also features a lot of young male nudity. Sleepaway Camp. The director has kids, is probably still married or was married at the time he made the movie. We see guys with no shirts on, guys in nothing but underwear (those briefs that look like what WWF/WCW wrestlers used to wear in the 1990's, before they started all wearing pants), you see one kid's naked butt, and at the end, someone short is totally nude and you see his penis.

So what?

Another thing, though - Victor Salva's being fat had nothing to do with what he did. Okay? Overweight people have enough problems as it is without a-s-s - holes telling people "fat" people are all pedophiles!

Now, you're a straight guy - I take it. Do you think girls are pedophiles if they look at a guy who is 15 and think he's sexy and want to see him naked and have sex with him? If she's 17 or 18 and he looks 17- her same age? Is a 15-year old gay guy a pedophile if he thinks a 16 year old guy is sexy and wants to see him naked / have sex with him? Age is nothing but a number, okay. Maturity is what makes someone ready for sex. Do you honestly think every 30 year old person is mature enough to save sex? Even if they are retarded or have the mentality of a 12 year old? Do you think if Doogie Howser were a real person and at 14, he had sex with an older person (by choice), that he would go crazy and lose his intelligence, and start doing drugs, or made him suddenly a bad doctor, etc.?


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Ok.... So now we all know that you're a closet pedophile.

Moving right along...

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Miss the point much?

He's trying to say that sometimes a shirtless shot of a guy MIGHT just be because the script called for it and not because Salva was getting his rocks off.

however the public at large, this includes you, wakey30, are too obsessed with his being a convicted pedophile to see past that.

The guy did his time and has caused no more trouble. Perhaps it's time to move on to obsessing over something/one else now... What like you never made a mistake you wished you could take back? He *beep* up, did his time and is trying to make a living now. Let him.

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"The guy did his time and has caused no more trouble. Perhaps it's time to move on to obsessing over something/one else now... What like you never made a mistake you wished you could take back? He *beep* up, did his time and is trying to make a living now. Let him."

He served 15 months of a 3 year sentence and is now a successful Hollywood director. And what chances does Nathan Winter's have of trying to move on with his life? He never made another movie, and probably has emotional scarring that you cannot comprehend.

And it's not like Salva hit somebody's car in the parking lot and drove off, he RAPED a 6th grader. Don't act like that is just one of life's foibles that one might come to regret, and that an average person might relate to. You don't accidentally videotape yourself getting a blow job from a kid that's 12 years old because you got caught up in the moment. He's obviously messed up, and 15 months of jail time doesn't cure that.

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Mostly Agree. I found that south park episode funny. We deal with female teachers who molest boys differently than we do male pedos. People laugh and make jokes about a female teacher molesting young male students. But we are disgusted by a male who molests young men or women! I mean Salva knew the what he did was illegal before he did it. He probably had moral conflicts about it as well. But he did it. Maybe the 12 year old did consent. But Salva was not in love with him as much as he was lusting after him. NAMBLA says love has no age restrictions, but these people just want laws lifted against having sex with minors!

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"Okay, check this out: there's a 1983 cult horror movie that also features a lot of young male nudity. Sleepaway Camp. The director has kids, is probably still married or was married at the time he made the movie. We see guys with no shirts on, guys in nothing but underwear (those briefs that look like what WWF/WCW wrestlers used to wear in the 1990's, before they started all wearing pants), you see one kid's naked butt, and at the end, someone short is totally nude and you see his penis.

So what?"


What does that have to do with anything? Did you think the OP's point was that every director who shows a shirtless boy is a pedophile? His point was the exact opposite, that we see those things all the time in movies and don't think twice about it. It's only knowing what we know now that makes you rethink those things. I mean he obviously abused his position of power over young Nathan Winters. He raped a young boy, an actor in his movie, but the idea that he might have rewritten certain scenes for his pleasure is out of the realm of possibility?

Next, all your "examples" of what you think society considers pedophilia are wrong. It's not illegal for 15 and 16 year old guys to have sex with each other, or for a 17 year old girl to have sex with a 15 year old guy. Likewise, your example of the 30 year old retarded person is wrong. People have been charged with rape for taking advantage of someone who is mentally disabled.

I'm not saying every person of every age should be grouped in some black and white category, but if age is nothing but a number, why don't we allow 8 year old kids to drive, or 10 year old kids in a liquor store? The whole point is, children on a whole, even if they "consent" are in no position to make rational decisions.

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Thank you Soulsdescend , you are right I didnt mean that every film that features a kid shirtless was made by a pedophile, like I wrote in my original post, I used to watch this film a lot and never really took notice of these scenes until I eared that the kid was abused so watching it again knowing that makes you think of the director real purpose for making these scenes and it makes it creepy.
I have no problem with "Sleep away camp" or nudity in general but when you know that a director is a pedophile you cant help but to think its not very healty.It's like if a rapist who spent time in jail was making a film with lots of naked young girls,it would not be the naked young girl that would disturb me but to think that its a rapist behind the camera. I mean its normal to feel this way?!!!! A pedophile should not be allowed to work with kids OR ask them to take their clothes off for the camera.

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So if a straight director films a shot of a topless woman, by your reasoning this can only be because he wants to see tits. If a gay director made a movies with a shirtless guy it could only be because he wanted to sleep with him and a gay man would never, EVER make a movie with female nudity, presumably because his head would explode out of utter disgust.
Grow up.

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......... Once again and for the last frickin' time,I am not talking about straight or gays there but PEDOPHILES and Sex ofenders,there is a difference, who are allowed to film women and children.I just dont think they should be allowed to work with kids and women ever again,thats all.
That director molestated that poor kid and if he wanted to he could work with a bunch of kids in his next movie,it might just be me but I dont think its normal,thats all im saying!!! Would you let a convicted pedophile play with your kids ?!!!

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what does women have to do with it?

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Jesus Christ, why are you so willing to defend a pedophile? The OP's point was clearly that he has a hard time watching the movie now because he now understands that Nathan Winters was being MOLESTED at the time of filming. And don't give me any that crap about how age is a state of mind. Nathan Winters innocence was ripped away from him and Victor Salva spending fifteen months in prison was not a suitable punishment.

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OMG WHAT ABOUT THE DIRECTOR OF "LORD OF THE FLIES" OMG OMG HE IS WORSE THAN HITLER!!!!!!!!!!!! (sarcasm)

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Sorry no sense of humor when it comes to a child being raped.

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<<He's trying to say that sometimes a shirtless shot of a guy MIGHT just be because the script called for it and not because Salva was getting his rocks off.>>

Okay, I just had to respond to this one because it's so ridiculous. We are all aware that Salva both WROTE and DIRECTED this movie. If the script called for it, it was because, WELL, Salva put it IN the script. It would be the same if I wanted to write a part in my horror movie as typical fanservice, so I WRITE a scene were a chick undresses and walks around nude, looking through her drawers and closet. The fact being, it's in the script cause someone wrote it in the script, and things aren't JUST written into a script for no reason. Whether it WAS written in or suggested, it seems more fishy considering Salva's background.

The movie itself wasn't bad, but the specific scenes did fill fishy in that sort of way.

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It seems like every Brian De Palma movie begins with naked ladies in the shower. I sometimes wonder if De Palma was getting off on the dailies.

"Fellas, don't drink that coffee! You'd never guess, there was a FISH in the percolator!"

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Wow...the difference between the smart people on this board and the dumb people is immense. I'm amazed. The smart ones make some really fine points though. I'd heard about this guy's history, and I was watching this movie without knowing who directed, and when his name came up I was amazed when two minutes later I saw the kids hiney. SO disturbing knowing the subtext!

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I agree with AidaClarkfield ,There are people who just dont get the point.Lord of the flies was not directed by a pedophile,none of the young actors were raped during the making of it and the fact they had not much clothes on made sense because they were on a deserted Island,I love Lord of the flies it's a classic.Clownhouse in the other hand was made by a peadophile who molested one of the child actor and the scenes in that film were the kids are half naked are out of place and very random...like WTF random. It his obvious for anyone who watch that film knowing that Salva molested the kid that he wrote thoses scene for himself and not to add anything to the story.

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I have a film professor who said "that the real intention of the filmmaker will make it's way into a film whether he wants it to or not" meaning if that's the way that the director feels even if no one knows, it will play that way in our minds on the screen. Whether that is true for all films I don't know, but it's definitely true for this film!

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Its definitely true, and if you know this why call someone stupid for saying the exact same thing except about women? He was completely correct in what he said OF COURSE the directors are getting off on these women, this is why people have a problem with pervert directors. Being a pedophile just makes it much more shocking to hear about

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To the folks who are talking about this young man's innocence being ripped (raped) away and him having emotional scars for the rest of his life.... Were you there? My first sexual experience was with a 31 yr old man (2 yrs older than Salva at the time of his crime). I was 11 at the time. He was not the pursuer, *I* was. I am not scarred for life nor do I even regret what happened.

At no point in any of the stories we have heard about Salva is it EVER made clear what Winter's take on this was. Who knows, he may have been sleeping with the director to further his career ("OMG how can you say that about a 12 yr old" Grow up. I knew about this stuff at that age, and I was in the rural parts of Mississippi, not Hollywood!!!). We don't know if it was rape, consensual or what went on.

Our legal system sent Salva away for his crimes. He did the time THEY said he should do and got out on good behavior. As far as we know he's not done anything else worthy of persecution or prosecution. In ANY criminal case once the time is served and the person is out, it's OVER. DONE.

Personally I am glad to see him still working (Jeepers Creepers III) and glad that he's done his time and trying to move on. I do wish we knew more about Winter's and where he is in life but he has chosen to remove himself from the public eye. If he IS still suffering over this, he needs to get therapy. It was over 20 yrs ago now. Even if it was forced rape, it's done and over and time for ALL OF US to move on. Either way people need to stop acting like they KNOW what happened between Salva and Winters, because fact is YOU DON'T. There are two sides to every story and we don't even know ONE side of this one, much less both. There are only two people who do, and they aren't talking about it...

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Know a lot of cunning 12 year olds do you? What was the job and where in rural Mississippi? I'm just asking because I can't think of a place that would hire a 12 year old, let alone a job where a 12 year old could "use their body to get ahead". And even if that was true, Salva still disgusting for having sex with a 12 year old and as an adult should never have been in a situation where that was a possibility.
And yes we do know what Nathan Forrest Winters reaction was. He came out and protested Salva's movie Power specifically because he was afraid of Salva having access to child actors again. Which should tell you everything you need to know about what happened. And seriously, if Winters "IS still suffering over this, he needs to get therapy. It was over 20 yrs ago now. Even if it was forced rape, it's done and over and time for ALL OF US to move on"? How do you know that he hasn't been in therapy since it happened? Do you realize how much mental development happens during your childhood and preteen years? How something as common as your parents divorcing during childhood can completely consume the rest of your life?
Imagine Winters' situation. He was raped as a child. He can go to any Blockbuster in America and be vividly reminded of that fact. Not only that, in the same section he can find a movie by the guy that did it, who still makes millions of dollars, and also still has access to child actors.
Why don't you do the rest of us a favor and go back to posting on NAMBLA message boards?

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I completely agree with sedeyus and I am amazed by people who are defending Salva and making it look like the fact that he raped a child is no big deal and we should move on and let him do more film and perhaps let him work with even more child actors!! As a father I can tell you straight away that I would shop the penis off any man who would dare touch my son inappropriately.
And I also agree that those closeted paedophiles should post elsewhere , just reading them defending Salva over what he did and writing things like "it's no big deal, the kid should move on,I had sex with a grown man as a child and I have no regrets" truly turn my stomach. A grown man sleeping with a child is wrong and that's all there is to it and I will boycott any films with Salva starring a child actor! That's my father instinct kicking in , I cant help it!

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I agree w/you 110%. Victor Salva is the Boogeyman in the flesh and the only reason he's allowed to make movies is because he's protected by powerful people namely Francis Ford Coppola. How anybody can defend this creep only makes me wonder how these people sleep at night. As for me, anybody touches my son like that better pray that I don't find them otherwise I'll do crap to them that would make Hostel Sesame Street.

Another sad fact of life is that our society does look at female predators differently then male and that simply because our part is seen more as a weapon then a simple appendage. I was disgusted the way some of the ladies I work with were about to peak over how Taylor Lautner's body every time they seem a pic of him w/o his shirt. I'm like, he's old enough to be your son and yet no one bats an eye. Then little Dakota Fanning goes all Cherrie Curry for The Runaways and its Lolita all over again.

And for all of you Salva defenders, would you let your sons be left alone with this "man" simply because "he's served his time"? Keep in mind sex offenders can never be rehibilitated since its all a mental thing so unless this sicko has undergone a full lobotomy, he's still a pervert.

Also, its obvious how much he gets his rocks off over young men now. Case in point, check out Peaceful Warrior and how he seems to have a way to get Scott Mechlowitz (or whatever)either sweaty or wet.

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I also have my doubts about the poster's story that at 11, he was the sexual predator of a 31 year old to get ahead in his career. I think that it's more likely that he was the 31 year old trying to justify his rape of an 11 year old with his story of the boy using him like a predator.



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We DO know that it not consensual. Winters told his mother after the making of Clownhouse that Salva forced him to have sex, which led to the arrest and the search of Salva's home that turned up the video evidence.

That's Winter's take on it. He DID talk about it, during the protests of "Powder."

As for the suggestion he slept with Salva to further his career, note that his career ended with this movie. That suggests Winters permanently swore off acting due to what happened, not that he sought it out.

Salva did indeed serve his time, and nobody else has stepped forward with new charges. The fact that pedophiles have the highest recidivism rate of all sex offenders, and that Salva previously worked as a child care provider, raise serious doubts as to whether this was his first offense or just the first time he was caught. A man can't be legally punished for the suggestion he might have committed other crimes, but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye and pretend he was arrested for jaywalking, either.

And you can't blame folks for finding it difficult to watch his films after finding out about his arrest. That's an issue of suspension of disbelief, and not something within the control of moviegoers.

In any case, I've heard of no one protesting "Jeepers Creepers" and begrudging him work with adult actors--just that some folks have a hard time watching his movies now, knowing of his crime. The protests against "Powder" were specifically about him getting a foot in the door with a company that more often employs, and whose main audience is, children and teens. Surely that's reasonable, in light of his arrest record.

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You are sick for even suggesting that an 11 or 12-year-old is capable of consent.

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