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Demoted from Triple-A to Single-A? Ouch!


No wonder Crash wanted to quit. And then after a good season, doing exactly what they wanted him to do, bringing this kid along, they just let him go. Damn, that's cold.




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They obviously brought him in there because of Nook. Although, I am sure such a demotion would be rare in real life. Crash was smart enough to know what was going on but also aware that due to his age, he didn't have many options.

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They stated his AAA contract was bought out. More than likely, his skills were no longer at AAA levels, so his team would have been keen to accept the buyout since he wasn't worth the money, anymore. The major league team probably saw it as worth it due to their investment in Nuke.

Now, Nuke's promotion to the show directly from A is highly unusual, even for the September roster expansion. Also, due to those call ups, the minor league season for Major League affiliates ends by the first week in September. Independent leagues play longer. Since the Bulls were bringing in a rookie catcher, it indicates there's still ball to be played, so Nuke would have been brought up before September.

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Is that really a big demotion?

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Yes. Single-A is the entry-level of professional baseball. It really should be all 18 and 19 year olds, fresh out of high school, but of course, this is Hollywood.

Triple-A is the level right below Major League Baseball.

Normally you move in single-league jumps, so that you go from Single-A to Double-A, Double-A to Triple-A, and Triple-A to the majors. However, at the end of the season, anything can happen, as shown in the movie.





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So when Crash is released from the Bulls he goes off th join another team, does this mean he has gone down another level again.I don't know how the system works,I'm not an American and I've never seen a baseball game,love this movie though.

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No, when Crash gets released, it's a mirror to the scene at the beginning of the movie when the first catcher gets released, who Crash then replaces. Released basically means fired - the team has the right to release you from your contract at any time. Getting released from a single-A team means "death" in baseball - if you're not good enough to be on the lowest level team in the minors, then you'll never be good enough to make the Major Leagues. Most players, when they're released from a single-A contract in baseball, just "hang 'em up", meaning, they quit the game entirely.

Instead, Crash joins the Asheville Tourists, a single-A team, also in North Carolina, in the South Atlantic League. He heard that they needed a catcher to finish out the season. He did it so he could get his home run there before finally retiring with the ignominious record of having hit the most home runs in the minor leagues. Not a record to really be proud of.

So that team he joins at the end is the same level as the Durham Bulls. He just moved laterally, not up or down.

Then Annie mentions that they're looking for a manager in Visalia. That's another single-A team in California. As a catcher, Crash would be well-suited to manage. This is because, whether or not it's true, catchers are generally regarded as the smartest players on the field. They've studied how the other team hits, who hits what pitch, who doesn't hit what pitch, and therefore the catcher controls the pitch selection with the pitcher (as you see Crash doing throughout the movie with Nuke). They generally move the defensive players on their team around on the field based on how the other team's players hit, waving the second baseman to the left or right, for example, if a certain opposing player has a tendency to hit the ball left or right, that sort of thing. Catchers are, in effect, like on-field managers.

By the way, another piece of information for you is that almost all of the minor league teams are owned by the major clubs. A major league club will own their own triple-A club, double-A, and usually at least two single-A clubs. The major league club has the right to "call up" any of the players in the minor leagues to the "big leagues" whenever they want. They will generally do this at the end of the baseball season, in September, when they are mathematically eliminated from having a chance to be in post-season play - the playoffs, the World Series. They do this because at that point, what the team does (win or lose) just doesn't matter any more. They do this so that they can see what their minor-league stars are really capable of against other major league hitting and pitching, and so that these players get some experience of the majors. Crash mentions he had a brief stint in the majors too, and you see all the other players going ga-ga over him about this.

If you ever come to America, you should definitely see a game - at the stadium. Baseball is a slow game, and it can be a little boring on television. It's not boring at the stadium, though.





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Thanks very much, very interesting, that helps a lot with my confusion over what's happening. I'm going to watch it again now after reading your explanation. Draft Day was another movie that had me totally baffled at the end but after watching it twice then watching the directors cut then doing some googling and watching it again I think I've figured it out. Haha sports are not my strong point as you can tell.

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"By the way, another piece of information for you is that almost all of the minor league teams are owned by the major clubs. A major league club will own their own triple-A club, double-A, and usually at least two single-A clubs. The major league club has the right to "call up" any of the players in the minor leagues to the "big leagues" whenever they want."

Not quite right. Most minor league teams are not owned by major league teams but have player development contracts with the big league clubs. They are "affiliates" of the major league teams. Players have personal services contracts with the big league club, so they determine where and when the player is assigned to any given team in the organization.

As far as September call ups, its not just the teams that are not competitive towards the division or league championships that call players up. Its when active rosters are allowed to expand from 25 to 40 players.

Also somewhere in this thread I saw mention of A leagues being mostly 18 and 19 year olds. Not exactly. There are rookie leagues that are short season for drafted players and signees, then A short season, A full season, then A advanced. Then you get the AA and AAA teams playing full seasons. The seasons get longer as you move up. 140 in AAA and 162 in the bigs. (plus post season)

For example: The Durham Bulls are currently the AAA farm team affiliate of the Tampa Bay Rays. They are owned by Capitol Broadcasting in NC. The AA affiliate, is the Montgomery Biscuits (AL), the Port Charlotte (FL) Stonecrabs are the A-Advanced league. Full season for the Rays is the A Full season Bowling Green (KY)Hot Rods. Below that would be the A-short season Hudson Valley (NY) Renengades. The Rays A-rookie league team is the Princeton Rays. I believe that Tampa Bay Rays in fact own the Princeton team since rookie league teams would not be profitable run as a separate business.



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Most minor league teams are not owned by major league teams but have player development contracts with the big league clubs. They are "affiliates" of the major league teams. Players have personal services contracts with the big league club, so they determine where and when the player is assigned to any given team in the organization.

My apologies. I didn't know that. Fair enough. It's kinda the same thing though, ain't it? If the big league club can do whatever they want with any of the players, and the team is sort of - SORT OF - nothing without its players, then what difference does it really make? (I mean, yeah, there is the managerial staff, the guy who keeps the dressing room clean, the bat boy, the greenskeepers, but that's not all that much.)

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. You're right; I'm wrong; I have no problem with that whatsoever. If this were Facebook, I would give your post a "like". But when it comes right down it, isn't this a difference that makes no difference?

As far as September call ups, its not just the teams that are not competitive towards the division or league championships that call players up. Its when active rosters are allowed to expand from 25 to 40 players.

You're right again. I forgot that the key difference is that it's something like, "only those players on the August 31st roster are eligible for post-season play," so whoever they call up is just there for September (or Greater September, including whatever regular season games are in the first couple of days of October), and that's it. Something like that, right?

Also somewhere in this thread I saw mention of A leagues being mostly 18 and 19 year olds. Not exactly. There are rookie leagues that are short season for drafted players and signees, then A short season, A full season, then A advanced.

That would be me! While I again defer to your demonstrably greater baseball knowledge, my point was that basically, Nuke would be 18 or 19 himself, and so would most of the players on the team - or maybe 20 or 21. But someone's real age never, ever stopped Hollywood from casting someone 5 or 10 years older.




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So gracious of you to not be a dick and to acknowledge that so many of my points were correct. I do understand that in the overall scheme of things, and especially in the perspective of the OP it might seem trivial. However, you stated several things with such authority and confidence, I felt I needed to offer correction. You are right though that it makes little difference because it's not like the OP's impression of baseball was going to be skewed by your minor inaccuracies.

BTW, I checked on the average age of the Durham Bulls in the 1984 season and it was 22.4, with the youngest being 19 yoa.



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Sorry; I was just telling it as best I could. If I come off authoritative and confident, well, that's just my way.

And damn!

I checked on the average age of the Durham Bulls in the 1984 season and it was 22.4, with the youngest being 19 yoa.


Really? Well, I screwed the pooch there, too, didn't I? 




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The age reference was just to support your position that Tim Robbins was and even his character appeared a bit too old to be the fresh young rookie about to make the jump to the Major Leagues. However, there are players still at the A ball level that are more than 18 or 19. College grads who played baseball for 4 years in school before signing a pro contract, for example.

And whatever you are doing with the neighbors dog, cut it out.

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