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A not-too-bright white supremacist


Let's see. A young, pretty woman who nobody has ever met or knows comes to town to work. Gary Simmons (the white supremacist leader) falls for her, and then they sleep together. A short time after that, he takes her "hunting" (chasing a scared black teen in the woods and killing him) and later to Klan camp.

I don't know too many white supremacists. But from what I've seen from documentaries on A&E, the History Channel, etc. they are all paranoid and know that the authorities as well as watchdog groups are watching them.

You'd think an experienced white supremacist would immediately suspect her of being an informant or an undercover agent and thus avoid her.

I also read somewhere that a significant percentage of KKK members are either paid government informants or undercover agents. (I don't know about other hate groups.)

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I don't think this movie was meant to be all fact based and have you never been in love, it makes you throw caution to the wind at times. He seemed to like her immediately.Berenger's character(Gary) had that mentality of domination. He saw her as the perfect wife for him, which he needed help on the farm and someone to help raise his kids. Early in the movie you got the idea the pickings for women in that area was slim. Berenger let her in on the dirty work, but if you remember, he was met with adversity.

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Yes, I've been in love. It may have been for very short periods of time, and in many cases, the girl may not have been aware of it. But yes, I've been in love.

I agree that love/sex makes people do foolish things.

But in the case of white supremacists, Mafia-figures, terrorists, spies--all of whom are frequently targeted by the authorities with undercover operatives and informants--I don't think they would spill the details of their crimes to a new love, especially one who just showed up in town.

Beyond that, I did enjoy "Betrayed" and thought it was a decent thriller.

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I think you are correct that letting someone in like he did her was not to smart and I think that's the whole point, the Gary character was not of superior intelligence.

I to enjoyed "Betrayed"

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Yeah, it makes no sense. Even the stupidest white supremacist wouldn't involve his new girlfriend in a shocking racist murder without having heard any indication from her at all that she shares his ideology or race-hatreds. (He couldn't try taking her to an ordinary Klan meeting first and see what happens?) And, as discussed in the "plot holes" thread, the FBI's conduct of the case makes no sense either. A poor effort, overall, considering the high-powered writer and director.

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Lets face it, this movie could have been a mini series, if they were going by the book. As in many movies, they have to condense the time lines. This is one of my fav Berenger movies.

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Yeah, they coulda flipped it, so that instead of the black-man hunt first, they could have had her "going camping" in Montana first, and then "hunting" second. I think that would have made a lot more sense, plot development-wise.




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I think the filmmakers got so involved in trying to manipulate the audience they didn't ask themselves--or at least not often enough--how believable it was.

The callous way in which they introduce the manhunt scene reminded me a little of the urban legend about how the word "picnic" is derived from an American custom of lynching a random black person during a family trip. It suggests a level of paranoia about race in this country that reaches absurd proportions: the idea that racism is so ingrained that brutally murdering someone becomes some casual, everyday event, and that if you look past the friendly good cheer of rural whites you'll find a black man buried in their backyard.

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You really are naive, aren't you. Indeed picnics during lynchings of blacks and executions of white prisoners were very commonplace with plenty of pictures to document the events. As sick as it seems to us today, it wasn't viewed the same way back then.
Tons of pictures:

https://www.google.com/search?q=picnics+at+lynchings&client=firefox-a&hs=xlG&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=zipFVMDvNJXbsASVnICADg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1680&bih=850

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Don't you know the proper way to post a link?

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Let's see. A young, pretty woman who nobody has ever met or knows comes to town to work. Gary Simmons (the white supremacist leader) falls for her, and then they sleep together. A short time after that, he takes her "hunting" (chasing a scared black teen in the woods and killing him) and later to Klan camp.

I don't know too many white supremacists. But from what I've seen from documentaries on A&E, the History Channel, etc. they are all paranoid and know that the authorities as well as watchdog groups are watching them.

You'd think an experienced white supremacist would immediately suspect her of being an informant or an undercover agent and thus avoid her.

I also read somewhere that a significant percentage of KKK members are either paid government informants or undercover agents. (I don't know about other hate groups.)



My sentiments exactly!

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The definition of paranoia is feeling like people are after you when they AREN'T. Therefore, since these groups know that government and other groups ARE watching them, they aren't paranoid. Agree totally with the comment that the Tom Berenger character wasn't too bright. I think that description would fit any of those people.

I loved the little girl standing up to the "minister" and the grandmother at the end. The seed of truth was planted in her mind and she wasn't going to grow up believing the lies.

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I also loved the end with the little girl backtalking the minister. I just wonder if her grandmother and brother ever explained to her what happened to her father. Seems she didn't have a clue as to what happened. Maybe they felt that if they just explained to her that he 'died', she would forget him like her mother.

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Sorry there is NO WAY even if he was a dummy that the others in the group would have allowed her to go "hunting". The OP is correct with groups like this whether they're Mafia, racists, terrorist, etc. They don't just let new people in that quickly.

The film lacked a lot and had too many plotholes to be really good.

Which is too bad considering the cast.

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Well its a story for dramatic effect although in real life I expect the supremacist to be a little more careful.

Its that man again!!

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Agreed, I loved that part as well.

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White supremacy was coming into its own as a popular news topic in the late 80's. This movie is just a popcorn flick cash-in. Somewhat watchable, but nothing to take seriously.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

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They were all done, there's no way they would have let her go after her reaction at the hunting party.

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Whites killing each other for centuries.
OJ Simpson murders a Jewish boy and a White woman.
All over America young black gangs murder,rape and
maim Whites,Jewish Whites and we let it go.
Read the words of Thomas Jefferson concerning White Europeans
and black Africans not living on same continent.
This film could have been good,but the theme is that
White Men are evil.
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