I mentioned something like this in the "Those leathery aliens" thread...
Has anyone read the J.M. Dillard novel? (Which I need to buy from Alibris or Amazon soon)...
I always wondered about the alien takeover...does the host "feel" pain...or huge orgasmic euphoria...?(I believe J.M. Dillard describes it in the WOTW:Resurrection novel, but it's been a long time since I've read it)...
The term was usually "absorbtion" so I guess the alien melds with the human...the cells becoming alien/human...until the alien decides to leave the body or transfer to another host...
Of course, it's not like the Vincent D'nofrio "Edgar" character from Men in Black, where the alien(even though played for laughs) is scrunched up in a human body--which had the innards sucked out; the alien of WOTW actually becomes the human...
Also, I think the host (if he/she is left for a time, like a suit)the human will feel the fatigued left on them due to the aliens not "resting" that much...(something I remember from the Dillard novel)...
I guess I'm looking at the "erotic" sense of it...(Heh,heh) with some of the aliens coming to like their bodies....and maybe using that to entice other humans to work for them unknowingly...(sort of like Sci-Fi Channel's "First Wave" series)...
I always thought the possessed alien females were usually somewhat "hot-looking" and/or somewhat attractive...(hence being used as lure for male hosts that needed to be used for whatever purpose)...although, that was slightly the other way around in "The Second Seal"...
Yep, John Colicos' Quinn could have opened up a whole lot of possibilities:
What if some aliens followed him and kept their host bodies, and formed their own communities? They could have been pro-war (against the Mor-tax, so they can come out the victor with Quinn as their leader) or entirely anti-war--still not giving up their host bodies...
I remember the character "Jefferson" from the episode "Goliath is My Name" that lost his alien identity and sort of became rogue(and crazy)...
Another deal is to have two aliens fall in love and go against the Advocacy's hate for "human" thinking....not to mention having free thought...as the "lower classes" have to always look to the Advocacy for direction...(this lower class/leader class is sort of like "Robotech: Southern Cross")...
Oh, the possibilities for the 3rd season! We could have got more into what made these aliens tick...!
I own a copy of "The Resurrection" novelization and I think it should be taken with a grain of salt in terms of how it reflects the mythology of the actual show since many elements were contradicted on the show (like the name of Suzanne's ex-husband and her relation to Sylvia Van Buren).
It's been a while since I've read it and I don't have a good memory when it comes to certain things, including details of books, but I think the poor bastards who were taken over could feel them squirming inside. One character's description of the ordeal was the following:
"... It was followed by the sensation of something moving inside him, pressing against his internal organs, moving up inside his head. Pressure, horrible mounting pressure inside his skull, increasing beyond his ability to bear it, until he was sure his brain, his skull, would explode. He felt his mind dimming, like a flame dying for lack of oxygen, smothered by a flood of strange thoughts not his own."
In the novel, humans could indeed leave their hosts with them intact (whereas on the show, every abandoned host was left to become a melted puddle). At one point, one of the Advocates actually lend their host body, Urick, to one of the aliens who take back the war machines of '53.
Again, science is definitely not forte, but from what I could understand, alien cells (looking triangular, of course) blend with human cells, draining them of information so that the host's knowledge could be taken with the alien after they've moved on. (I get this from an animation seen in "The Walls of Jericho".) However, I'm not sure if this was something that could be integrated into what the novel establishes since humans are still alive when they are "removed" and can recall memory, though not much is shared with that of their alien occupants. Urick somehow managed to take repossession of her body, and even got a small glimpse of her alien dweller's mind during her final moments, but I believe that this was a rare circumstance. When Urick and Finney are shed, they are alive, but are too weak to do anything other than make small movements. I can't recall if there was a specific reason given for this, but the hosts were indeed worn out and rendered almost lifeless. Though, I can imagine radiation sickness being a part of this (the novelization was more vocal on the illness as the show was about the sores; I recall the mention of the bodies being covered in crap and vomit). However, how the alien could properly fit into a human body leaves much to question. I can assume that they may have been able to shift their body into their host's. It's still kind of questionable, but I think that's one of those goofs that you just have to accept and move on.
Additional side-note to the cell thing: in "The Second Seal" Suzanne found a 35-year-old tissue sample that was still alive. This is an interesting thing to think about if cells contain knowledge. Not to mention that in "The Raising of Lazarus", Dr. Alexander was able to commune with an alien by injecting its blood inside himself.
One plot I thought would be interesting is for the aliens to incorporate the help of those who willingly help the aliens, maybe preachers of the Apocalypse, those who wanted to bring the end of the world. Or maybe the use of sell-outs who believe that Earth was better in the aliens' hands, something like a more cynical version of Dr. Blackwood - because I don't think it's hard to find people who actually believe humans are incompetent to take care of this planet.
The problem with the aliens' hosts is that they can't really stay in their bodies unless they are willing to either be subdued by bacteria again or have the negating radiation kill them. So unless they managed to find an immunity to bacteria, I don't see a long-lasting army of aliens with permanent hosts. Though the idea of some who realize the concept of freethinking and joining Quinn's bid for power would be interesting. However, they would seemingly be missing the point if they just join a different collective to rebel against the ruling class.
In "Goliath is My Name" Jefferson is actually exposed to a toxin. This "Y-Fever" can melt a human brain, but apparently reacts differently to an alien's and he basically his mind gets mixed up between the alien's mission and that of the role-playing game his host was involved in.
Another case would be Nancy Salvo from "Unto Us a Child is Born" who went against the orders of the Advocacy because her host's child took part of the alien with it when Nancy gave birth. It was a study of whether the alien was reacting to its own self being split or it taking up the motherly instincts of its host, or some combination of the two.
Quinn rebelled against his condition because he was severed from the collective. For 35 years he was alone, an alien in a human world, and I think that's how he became a rogue. He was forced to think for himself, seperated from his race and the rules that governed them, and adapted to his environment, but the alien inside ultimately kept him from becoming too human. If they had made more aliens going against the ruling class, I think they would have to do it carefully, or it would look like anyone can separate themselves from the collective, and that was a laughable flaw in the conception of Quinn's Season 2 doppelganger Keemo (a renegade after only mere hours, and he wasn't even in the grey but rather a full-fledged good guy - not to mention that the whole alien inside thing was never brought up to cause any confliction of nature). I think one of the comments of Season 1 was individuality versus conformity, which was exemplified by having the aliens, with their collective mentality, being fought and opposed by the diverse group of people that made up the Blackwood Team.
In my honest opinion, I don't think the aliens know love, so I don't see that ever happening. The case of Quinn and Nancy rebelling had to do strongly with the aliens reacting to their bodies and psyches being dramatically affected (Quinn was trapped in his shell and the alien in Nancy had a part of itself taken away into a seperate being). Their treatment of their own young in "My Soul to Keep" was the closest, but they seem more protective of their young to ensure the growth of their army. It doesn't even seem as though the aliens have such a thing as parents. So I can't imagine, even taking up some of their host's traits, that they would ever fall in love. But then again, I just find the concept kind of cheesy.
The lower classes seeking the counsel of the Advocacy was something that I found interesting because they had oppressed the underlings so much that it seemed that they were afraid to even breath without any consultation because anything that was not the orders of the Advocacy, anything that was not part of their will was met with punishment, and made them almost afraid to do anything that could be seen as dissent. And yet, the Advocacy seemed to always get irritated at the constant calls for help they would get. It's funny because it was their own damned fault. After all, they are led to believe that they are nothing without the Advocacy's counsel.
One thing I always found fascinating was how the third alien arm always burst out of the host body's chest but was able to retract back inside without any apparent damage to the host body. I was always curious how they could do that. Were the aliens able to manipulate human bodies to basically do that? If anyone has any theories on that, I'd be more than happy to hear it. I always considered the aliens to be like a worm burrowing itself into an apple.
-In my honest opinion, I don't think the aliens know love, so I don't see that ever happening. The case of Quinn and Nancy rebelling had to do strongly with the aliens reacting to their bodies and psyches being dramatically affected (Quinn was trapped in his shell and the alien in Nancy had a part of itself taken away into a seperate being). Their treatment of their own young in "My Soul to Keep" was the closest, but they seem more protective of their young to ensure the growth of their army. It doesn't even seem as though the aliens have such a thing as parents. So I can't imagine, even taking up some of their host's traits, that they would ever fall in love. But then again, I just find the concept kind of cheesy.-
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Thurisaz. I think the concept of love is foreign to the aliens from Mor-Tax. They merely have mates for breeding purposes only. They mate just to further their species (I see the aliens a lot like a giant ant colony). Even in the case of "To Heal the Leper" there seemed to be some affection that one of the Advocates showed to their ailing brethren. But on second glance, I took that more as self-preservation than anything else. However, the jury is still out regarding that. Actually, in "The Walls of Jericho", Advocate Xana stressed, "We have to stay strong. The Advocacy will be severely weakened without the three of us". I doubt even Quinn can feel love. Passion? Yes. He definitely has that. He has these human emotions that have polluted his alien nature for 35 years. But, I think Quinn is personally too obsessed with his desire to overthrow the Advocacy and rule Earth alone to concern himself with petty things like love.
The Nancy Salvo subplot in "Unto Us a Child is Born" interested me because we see the duality of the character. While her human side seemed to have some connection with the child still- the alien side was severely weakened (since that the baby was actually a part of Nancy- and when she gave birth, she lost so much since a baby was a part of this single entity). The alien side also was so desperate to gain back this strength- it went against the rules of the Advocates? Now, did the loss of strength affect the thoughts of the Nancy Salvo alien?
One thing I always found fascinating was how the third alien arm always burst out of the host body's chest but was able to retract back inside without any apparent damage to the host body. I was always curious how they could do that. Were the aliens able to manipulate human bodies to basically do that? If anyone has any theories on that, I'd be more than happy to hear it. I always considered the aliens to be like a worm burrowing itself into an apple.
You're probably right about that.
Maybe the arm was just in their host body, or actually part of the host's body make up, so it "sprung out" when needed...either to hold another potential host body, or kill a witness, or grapple something, etc...
In the episode, "The Second Seal" there was an escaping possessed human that had one hand that was the huge three fingered alien hand(I forget what happened, but I think it was due to an Ironhorse attack)...so I guess the aliens somehow manage to use a certain mass to "hide" in...
Another point: In the episode "Eye for an Eye" the alien that took over the old guy, Harve, seemed to be about 7 feet to Harve's "5'10"?? and Suzanne was about to be "possessed" (before being saved by her ex-Cash)...and we get a glimpse of the size of the alien compared to her...
...Not too mention a diagram shown in one episode, of an alien inside a human...
-In my honest opinion, I don't think the aliens know love, so I don't see that ever happening. The case of Quinn and Nancy rebelling had to do strongly with the aliens reacting to their bodies and psyches being dramatically affected (Quinn was trapped in his shell and the alien in Nancy had a part of itself taken away into a seperate being). Their treatment of their own young in "My Soul to Keep" was the closest, but they seem more protective of their young to ensure the growth of their army. It doesn't even seem as though the aliens have such a thing as parents. So I can't imagine, even taking up some of their host's traits, that they would ever fall in love. But then again, I just find the concept kind of cheesy.-
It's a good concept to have some aliens question their culture...and the advocates. Quinn could even be the one to believe he is superior because he is not quite human or alien...
As for Nancy, it would have been interesting to see if she indeed was giving in to her host...or still working for the betterment of the Mor-taxians....
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Thurisaz. I think the concept of love is foreign to the aliens from Mor-Tax. They merely have mates for breeding purposes only. They mate just to further their species (I see the aliens a lot like a giant ant colony). Even in the case of "To Heal the Leper" there seemed to be some affection that one of the Advocates showed to their ailing brethren. But on second glance, I took that more as self-preservation than anything else. However, the jury is still out regarding that. Actually, in "The Walls of Jericho", Advocate Xana stressed, "We have to stay strong. The Advocacy will be severely weakened without the three of us". I doubt even Quinn can feel love. Passion? Yes. He definitely has that. He has these human emotions that have polluted his alien nature for 35 years. But, I think Quinn is personally too obsessed with his desire to overthrow the Advocacy and rule Earth alone to concern himself with petty things like love.
I believe Quinn could be a good "bad guy"...but not fall in love. He is a loner, and will always be such. Maybe he'll help the human race, but only do so much...he wants power...
Maybe he'll assist his own brethren...to a point...
Quinn works for the betterment of Quinn...
As for the Advocacy, they are too blinded by power...so they'll always be evil, I think.
I think the aliens gained an easier foothold of the human hosts after a while. For instance, compare the zombie-like clumsy manner they had in the beginning to the seamless way they were able to manage them later on in the series.
I think there was a first season episode, where Blackwood and company were giving a lecture on the aliens where Suzanne said that the mind of the victim was destroyed when they were taken over...
That's why I love the first season. it was pretty cool having the aliens using humans to do thier plots. Whould the 2005 remake been different if they used the aliens from the first season? This is just a thought of course.