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Spoiler!!! Can someone really live that long....


after being shot as many times as Sean Connery was? He must have been shot about 20 times! He not only lived several minutes but drug himself clear across his apartment. Is this medically possible?

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No I very much doubt it.

That was one of the most ridiculous scenes I have EVER seen in a movie.

Remember, there might be some MOMENTARY DISCOMFORT.

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Between this scene and the end of Scarface, I think it's safe to say Brian de Palma has no idea how multiple gun shot wounds affect humans.

DEAL WITH IT

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Maybe, but I still found the scene in this movie Far more ridiculous.

Remember, there might be some MOMENTARY DISCOMFORT.

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And he still kept his Scots accent!!


Its that man again!!

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And he still kept his Scots accent!!


I read he actually tried to do an accent which is what makes it more pathetic.


Remember, there might be some MOMENTARY DISCOMFORT.

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And he still kept his Scots accent!!


That was actually him doing an 'Irish' accent .

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Jesus, that's really super... How'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?

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Between this scene and the end of Scarface, I think it's safe to say Brian de Palma has no idea how multiple gun shot wounds affect humans.


Tony had taken A LOT of cocaine and had a lot of pent up rage, so he has an excuse of living as long as he did.

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Jesus, that's really super... How'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?

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No, but i think it was deliberate to show the consequences of Malone's amoral attitude towards violence. He delighted in putting the other man down and schooling Ness to "shoot first" no matter what, mocking the bad guy for bringing "a knife to a gun fight" etc. Perhaps i'm giving De Palma too much credit, but that's the feeling i had. Ness gets off too easily because he's the family man.

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don't forget about the fact that they *had* to show Connery taking a drink of whiskey before being cut to ribbons - I know it's a stylistic "device" DePalma uses in the film (an obvious one at that), but it doesn't work the way the oranges did in The Godfather films.

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Well alcohol is a definite part of the context. I don't think it's a gratuitous beat, which you could maybe say about the oranges.

The drink of whisky looked to me like one of the little punctuation marks that De Palmatypically uses in his set pieces.

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count the bullets. sounds like around 100. he would have been cut in half in real life

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What's that got to do with Malone taking a drink?

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it has nothing to do with alcohol. People don't nest their pages on imdb - they respond to the last person as if it's the OP, because they don't know how to work the board correctly.

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The fools.

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Ridiculous, indeed. I laughed so hard at that part!

If we wanna hear you talk, I will shove my arm up your ass and work your mouth like a puppet!

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Funny how no one gives Coppola *beep* for james caan's absurd death in The Godfather but people talk a lot about the scene in this movie...

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Thank you !! .. people likes to take a trend of mocking depalma .. I mean com'n .. he's a great filmmaker .. and its fiction..enjoy and chill .

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I haven't seen Godfather in a while but what's ridiculous to me in that movie is how the Godfather played by Marlon Brando was able to survive getting shot several times with a machine gun! But I admit this scene in the Untouchables is also pretty unrealistic. I can't believe Sean Connery won an oscar for this movie.

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I would have to disagree with you guys. Unrealistic it may be, but given my love and attachment for Malone at that point, my suspension of disbelief was strong for me enough not to think of that detail and to just be upset about the scene and his agonizing death. I actually think it is one of the most powerful scene in the film, dramatically speaking, and it definitely fueled the rest of the film. It was the same thing for me in The Godfather, and for the record, Brando's character was not shot with a machine gun, but with several handguns (unlike Sonny, aka James Caan, who was just multiple times with multiple Tommy machine guns).

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The answer to the original question is of course: it's most improbable. However, sometimes you'd be surprised. A reasonable use of a spare 90 minutes is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095366/

PS I'm not sure it was the best idea to script it for Malone to be holding a shotgun when he's shot. There's a pause of a couple of seconds between his seeing Nitti and Nitti shooting him. But it seems out of character for Malone to hesitate before letting Nitti have it. This awkardness could have been avoided by having him chase out the first hitman using something other than a range weapon, eg a meat cleaver, baseball bat, whatever.

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Malone was way to far away from Nitty for a shot gun to be effective - he would have been better off throwing a rock at him.

I think the idea of having Malone shot up so bad, and crawling so far, and the time passage was to show the will he had. The bookeeper was the only real hope they had in getting Capone, and Malone knew he was the only chance to pass that information on.

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You're crashing by design

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Malone was way to far away from Nitty for a shot gun to be effective

With due respect, I have to disagree with you on that. It looked to me as if Nitti was about ten yards away, anyway less than fifteen. Malone's weapon was I believe a Winchester 97 12 gauge - I don't know what it was supposed to be loaded with, but with something like No 4 birdshot it would be pretty effective at twenty yards, maybe even thirty. The actual distance was about half that, and the inverse square law applies. With a reasonably good aim (which Malone could presumably manage) Nitti might not have been killed, but the threat he constituted would have been immediately and substantially reduced. I would not wish to be standing 10-15 yards in front of someone firing that weapon at me. (Also, being such an old weapon it doesn't have a trigger disconnector and so would lend itself to five or six shells being slamfired, ie very rapidly.)

Of course you're right about Malone's motivation.

Edit PS: Out of curiosity I've just checked what ammunition the US Army used with its Winchester 97s in WWI, when the idea was to kill men from the sort of range we're talking about, and it was 00 buckshot, so maybe that's what Malone would have been using around 1930. Here's a clip showing what it does at 25 yards - something like twice the distance of the film scene... inverse square law...etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eFvIlgiZQ4

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Agreed. But, maybe my memory is poor. I took Niity to be much further away. It seemed he was behind where the knife guy was, and up on a fire escape or something.

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not too much further.. he was in the next building.. it looked like 15-20 yards on air to air distance max.

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Vito Corleone wasn't shot with a machine gun.
That was his son, Sonny, who did not survive.

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