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Source material gets no respect..


Something is definitely wrong, when multi-million budget, full-length movies with all the tech wizardry at the makers fingertips are always so much worse and less imaginative than the cheaply printed and cheaply sold comic books and twenty-minute (or so) TV shows.

I can't understand this trend. They take a name, and disregard everything else, and then haphazardly cook up or steal some "seen a billion times", tired storyline from some awful, clichéd movie, and then take visual influences from other popular movies, and then wonder why audiences didn't like the end result.

You can see this in pretty much everything. Turtles-movies are a good example. There was plenty of interesting stuff in the source material, from samurai rabbits to odd creatures to choose from - and they go with something incredibly generic. I am surprised they even bothered to have Shredder in there.

But this movie takes the cake. It loses the name 'He-Man' from the original's title, and after that, things only get worse.

I have only watched this less than fifteen minutes, and noticed these things completely wrong with it:

- Skeletor looks RIDICULOUS, and has two sets of teeth. He doesn't look menacing at all.

- Skeletor is just a 'generic villain', instead of the scheming, evil monster with a
personality that we see in the show - and also, Skeletor's henchmen do not look
anything like they should

- Skeletor's voice is ALL WRONG
- Orko, the most interesting character, doesn't exist

- He-Man just 'is' He-Man, as if Prince Adam doesn't suddenly exist.
The whole point of the transformation is suddenly eliminated

- The world is just generic scenery or generic hollyweird crap, doesn't resemble
the original's other-worldly sceneries at all

- Way too many Star Wars-influences, from the music to the outfits and the 'Luke deflects laser blasts with his light saber'-rip-offs

- Cliché 'gadget-inventor-goblin'-character

- The sorceress, who used to look good, is played by some old harpy that doesn't
fit the role whatsoever

- The sorceress doesn't look -anything- like she's supposed to look like

- Who the heck is Meg Foster supposed to be? I can't remember that kind of a hag
from the show

- The 'power' is ruined by the intro, by saying WHAT KIND of power it is, and
defining it and re-defining it ad nauseam. It was more mystical, when Prince Adam
just yells: "I have the power!" - and -what- the power is, is conjured as a mystical
image in your imagination. Here, it's painstakingly DECLARED, what kind of power
it is.. "power to this, power to that". BORING! And destroying imagination.

- Queen and King are missing, just like Prince Adam is

- He-Man wears CAPE? NO.. just.. no.

- He-Man's outfit is completely wrong

- The movie starts boringly, and keeps the boredom at high levels

- So far, no sign of Cringer / Battle Cat

- Dolph may have the chest muscles for the job, but not the face or voice (or speaking
style)

- The THEME music is missing

This one needs to be talked about a bit. Anyone, who have watched enough AVGN episodes, knows that he has remarked and wondered about the frustrating 'missing theme' phenomenon, when it comes to video games, as well. I had no idea it also went the other way - now MOVIES can't use the original theme, either?

Why can't Back to the Future game use the Back to the Future theme? Why can't a The Terminator game use The Terminator theme music?

And _WHY_, for the love of anything, can't a MOVIE use the theme from the original
cartoon? _WHY_?!

It's an epic theme, and very movielike, and would fit a movie nicely, if done right.

What happened here (again)? No respect for the source material on any level. Just take the name, one or two 'main' characters from each side, and then make up everything else - the kids won't know the difference, right?

Think what kind of movies we would have, if source material was always respected? Think, if they tried to make the movies AS MUCH like the source material as possible, right down to how costumes should look like, etc...

Instead of 'reimagined' visuals, costumes, etc., we'd have ACCURATE depictions of what things look like. Wow, can you imagine correct-looking Galactus? (And even silver surfer is supposed to look really bright and white, not really dim and dark)

Can you imagine X-Men with COLORFUL clothes?

Can you imagine Avengers that wear clothes that actually look identical to how they should look in the comic books?

Can you imagine GOOD-looking Doctor Victor Von Doom? (I mean the facial mask, of course - even in the earlier comics, it looks much, MUCH better than in any of the movies)

Hollyweird thinks everything from the side of money. Nothing else is important to them. They don't think about the experience of having to sit through one (or more) of their lousy fabrications, they only think of profit and costs.

The stupidest thing is that the masses lap it up, they don't care, they haven't read the comics or watched the original shows, they don't care.

I am watching a random "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe"-episode, and as corny as it is, it's 900 times more entertaining, energetic, better-paced, and visually pleasing than this awful movie crap that I could endure almost 15 minutes before having to express my grievances.

Anyone praising this movie should try watching the show first, and then trying to praise the movie after that.. if they still find the movie good, they have absolutely no sense of what's good and what's lousy. Even young kids should be able to make the distinction easily.








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I've seen the show and I also like the movie. I don't want to compare everything even if I do wish for a more faithful film.



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Orko, the most interesting character, doesn't exist


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Orko's abscence bugged me as a kid.
I didn't like the time travel or coming to Earth theme
Adam and his secret of being He-Man was gone
Honestly He-man and Skeletor are side characters in the movie, very similar to how Bay made Optimus Prime a side character to Sam Witwicky

I liked the movie, but as a 7/8 year old who loved the toys and cartoon, was left kinda going "WHY?"
The movie could have been very profitable, if they had used the source material. Instead it turned into more of a cult film.

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I won't go over everything you wrote but I do have some thoughts/information on some of it. Lets start with.........

Orko, the most interesting character, doesn't exist

I'm not sure if this is a joke or not. If it is then you have one twisted sense of humor and you really need to just stop it, we have kids on this sight for goodness sake.

Way too many Star Wars-influences, from the music to the outfits and the 'Luke deflects laser blasts with his light saber'-rip-offs

I'm guessing you're talking about Skeletors storm troopers. Those guys were invented because Mattel said He Man was not allowed to kill in the movie thus the robot storm trooper army was created. Trashing robots was okay with them.
He Man did plenty of the laser reflecting off his sword thing in the cartoon as well, is it okay if he only does it in the cartoon?

But this movie takes the cake. It loses the name 'He-Man' from the original's title, and after that, things only get worse.

The MOTU toyline came out a few years before the cartoon making said toy line and the comics they came with the TRUE SOURCE MATERIAL. The toy line and comics that came with it was titled simply Masters Of The Universe. The title "He Man And The Masters Of The Universe was used only for the cartoon.

Skeletor is just a 'generic villain

Filmation's Skeletor was a buffoon and a typical cartoon bad guy. The movie Skeletor came closer to achieving his goals than any cartoon version to date.

He-Man just 'is' He-Man, as if Prince Adam doesn't suddenly exist.
The whole point of the transformation is suddenly eliminated

This is actually more true to the source material than the cartoon was. It might surprise you to know that originally there was no Prince Adam. The original toy line released in 1981 came with Mini Comics that told the story of He Man's origins, in this story He Man was a warrior from a jungle tribe.
Later for future comics/Filmation cartoon He Man's origins were revised and Prince Adam was created.

That being said, I much prefer the Prince Adam/He Man concept.

One could also argue that the reason we didn't see Adam in the movie is simply because the story being told had no reason for He Man to revert back to Adam.

The 'power' is ruined by the intro, by saying WHAT KIND of power it is, and
defining it and re-defining it ad nauseam. It was more mystical, when Prince Adam just yells: "I have the power!" - and -what- the power is, is conjured as a mystical
image in your imagination. Here, it's painstakingly DECLARED, what kind of power
it is.. "power to this, power to that". BORING! And destroying imagination.


Adam doesn't just yell "I have the power" he says "by the power of Grayskull I have the power".
I don't see how the intro ruined what the power is. I can't speak for everyone but it was always clear to me what the power was and what it could be used for. Skeletor knew he could use the power to rule all, otherwise why would he even bother? I don't think he would go through all the trouble he did to obtain the power if there was a chance it wouldn't help him to conquer and rule.

Cliché 'gadget-inventor-goblin'-character

Well Orko is a Cliche clown character there merely to make the kiddies laugh and you consider him to be "the most interesting character" in the series 

I noticed you mentioned a lot of missing characters and I would have also liked to have seen those characters too.
However one could argue that those characters at this point in the story are either dead/captured or off doing God knows what. This movie isn't an origin story and starts off very late in the game. Remember when Skeletor said "People of Eternia the war is over" or when He Man said to Skeletor something like this is between you and me, it's always been between us? This fight/war has been going on for quite some time and it's not very hard to imagine that some of those missing characters might be dead or captured, I'd prefer the latter honestly.

The world is just generic scenery or generic hollyweird crap, doesn't resemble
the original's other-worldly sceneries at all


This I fully agree with. I would have loved to have seen more of Eternia but I understand the budget wouldn't allow for it.

Dolph may have the chest muscles for the job, but not the face or voice (or speaking style)

I realize this is a matter of personal opinion but I could not disagree with you more on this.
Dolph IMO was perfect as He Man in every way, if he was meant for one role then He Man was it.

Anyone praising this movie should try watching the show first, and then trying to praise the movie after that.. if they still find the movie good, they have absolutely no sense of what's good and what's lousy. Even young kids should be able to make the distinction easily.

Friend MOTU is my all time favorite franchise and He Man my #1 favorite fantasy character and has been a part of my life as far back as I can remember. I have nothing but love for the series/myths and you won't come across a bigger fan than I. With that being said I will not allow myself to be blinded by nostalgia. I love the filmation cartoon for the memories and good times I had with it and own them all but there is no denying that it has aged very badly.
I could sit back and watch the movie with anyone of my friends and have without a since of embarrassment but there is no way I can say the same for the Filmation cartoon. But you are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else.

If you're a big He Man fan I recommend checking out the 2002 MYP cartoon. IMO it's better than the original in every way except the music.

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While I haven't seen the entire original cartoon, and it does have some neat ideas, frankly I think the movie is better. I own the "Best of" compilation DVD, and the HE-MAN/SHE-RA CHRISTMAS SPECIAL.

I'd certainly love to see a reboot set entirely on Eternia, and include characters like Battle Cat, She-Ra and Horde Prime. But Prince Adam and Orko are characters I wouldn't mind being dropped. I actually prefer the idea of He-Man being his own character, and not some Superman/Clark Kent alter ego of Prince Adam.


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The director wanted to do a Jack Kirby tribute with this movie. Characters were modeled after his New Gods, Thor and Fantastic Four rather than He-Man. At one point he wanted to bring Kirby himself aboard to help design the sets but budget limitations kept him from doing so.

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