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The opening credits and first 15 minutes.


I know this has been discussed before but having just rewatched it again I really enjoyed the first 15 to 20 minutes!

The opening credits were great and creepy. The mix of sounds (ie: the buyoes) mixed with Small's booming score really set the atmosphere. The camerawork was awesome, loved the shark's pov going above and below the surface.

Whoever thought to show Amity at Christmas time was genious. It really set the tone and made the viewer feel this was going to be darker than usual.

Sean's death was brutal, his screams intercut with the choir was very unSpeilberg. The shark's relentlessness was scary and again those pov shots were creepy!

My only complaint was that they should of used the animatronic shark in the scene. Imagine a far off shot of it breaching the boat? It was dark enough to hide any "fakeness". With the right editing and camerawork that scene really could have beem something else.

Imagine seeing the shark coming up behind Sean for its second attack? Brrrr.

If they had set the entire film in Amity and took advantage of the darker waters mixed with wintertime setting? Makes you wonder "what if" just like how John Hancock's version of Jaws 2 would have turned out had he not been fired.


"Well hot damn." -L. W.

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I agree!

With the animatronic shark present, it could have really added to the scene, and as you said, the darkness would have helped with the fake quality of the shark model.

I think the closeup shot they used was one of the dream sequence shots put through a dark filter to make it look different. I don't believe they actually had the animatronic shark in Martha's Vineyard at all.

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Yeah it looked as if they just used other shots with a dark filter. Shame. I think so too in thay they didnt use the shark at Martha's Vineyard.

The image of the shark head popping out of the water behind an armless Sean would have been nightmarish!

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Would have great to see the animatronic there! I also think the second shot of the closeups of flesh being turn (Actual baby great whites eating something) was very clever, but not as needed as the first shot with the arm coming off. Instead of having the second super edited second shot, I'd have had a shot of the animatronic shark grabbing the top half of Sean and bringing him into the water, ending the shot there.

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Yeah.

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OP, my sentiments exactly. I saw it in its original theatrical release. Those first fifteen minutes... brought me back to Amity - Amity in the winter, no less - Ellen Brody and family, Polly (different actress, same character), Mrs. Taft, Mrs. Kintner, the Brodys' lovely shoreside house (okay, it was a stand-in but it still worked)... and as you said, Michael Small's excellent, thundering, sensitive original score - plus its fresh use of William's themes from the Spielberg film. A wonderful setup for what turned out to be a bitterly disappointing closing chapter.

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I agree. The set-up for the film was really strong; shame the rest of it was a swing and a miss.

If nothing else, it never got as boring and tedious as Jaws 3-D.

Anyone here mentions Hotel California dies before the first line clears his lips.

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Agreed! 3-D's grainy photography and puerile sfx killed it from the get-go.

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it never got as boring and tedious as Jaws 3-D.


At least in Jaws 3-D, the shark got 10-15 extra minutes of screen time. And even during the filler scenes, Leah Thompson in a bikini and frequent shots of water skiers were far more entertaining than the gloomy melodrama that plagued Jaws: The Revenge.

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Yeah, the 3-D shark got extra time, but that only emphasized the huge sfx Fail that was Jaws 3-D.

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the 3-D shark got extra time


Actually no, the 3-D shark only got 5 seconds of screen time, that was during the climax when the shark crashed through the underwater viewing area, and I'll agree that it looked sh*t.
For the rest of the time the shark is present, it was done through the use of anamatronics and stock footage, which I thought were fairly impressive for the most part. The jaw hangs loosely and extends forward and it's eyes roll back when it attacks (just like sharks do in real life) and it's slow movements during the underwater scenes actually prove effective as it emphasizes it's large size.

The shark in Jaws: The Revenge looked sh*t in every scene it was present, both based on how it looked and how it was controlled, just a buoyant paper-mache model always appearing to be floating rather than swimming and supporting itself on boats rather than attacking them. But Jaws: The Revenge's biggest fail is it's ridiculous concept (at least Jaws 3-D had some good ideas), so I don't think even good special effects could've saved it, because Michael Caine's charisma certainly did not.

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The shark in Jaws: The Revenge looked sh*t in every scene it was present, both based on how it looked and how it was controlled, just a buoyant paper-mache model always appearing to be floating rather than swimming

Well, it didn't look like sh*t in every scene, but certainly the 3-D shark did because it didn't look alive and authentically three-dimensional even to original audiences in its first release. It looked like a cardboard cutout that an incompetent witch had cursed with flawed 3-D. 3-D's shark looks like a cartoon, which gives a less realistic look than Revenge's badly-executed but "live-effects" look.

Not that it all matters too much. I gave up on Revenge about five minutes after the action moved to the Bahamas. I doubt that even a wonderfully-executed shark could have saved either film.

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it didn't look alive and authentically three-dimensional even to original audiences in its first release. It looked like a cardboard cutout that an incompetent witch had cursed with flawed 3-D. 3-D's shark looks like a cartoon, which gives a less realistic look


Are you still referring to the shark crashing through the glass sequence? Because I already said that looked bad.

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Sure, I include that, but the 3-D shark never convinced me even once, while the Revenge shark looked okay - a couple of times...

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Neither film was good but both had two good attack scenes; the momma sharks grand entrance in J3 wreaking havoc was good as was the attempted trapping scene in which the shark eats Philip Fitz Royce. The ending scene was kind of silly with the shark crashing through glass but the finale was far better than the revenge; it was quite climatic having the shark trap the characters in the control room and that was the only film in which the shark is killed from under water .

Definitely the shawn killing was good in revenge and I enjoyed the sunken ship chase.

I can’t say I ever saw a film with such a great opening scene compared to such an awful closing scene as JTR. Definitely the winter kill and choir scene was very chilling. Quinten Tarantino uses the effect of playing soothing music in horrifying scenes as well. It’s too bad they couldn’t have kept more of the film at Amity although people don’t go into the water during the winter.


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Agreed. LOVE the amity scenes

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I agree. The opening kill scene was one of the best of the series.

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