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Ridiculous nonsensical characters


I defy anyone to give a reasonable explanation as to why Julia married Larry to begin with. She doesn't seem to have an ounce of love for him. I mean, she screwed Frank on top of her wedding dress! Seriously, either I missed an important character motivation scene, or Clive Barker just decided that his audience is too brain dead to realize the ridiculousness of Julia agreeing to marry Larry.

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The answer is she was most likely satisfied with him until Frank came along and opened her up to something more exciting, and then Frank left so getting with him wasn't an option. At that point, it was too late to back out of getting married to Larry and she had no one else. In addition, she could have been marrying him for non-romantic reasons, such as financial stability.

Don't be so quick to assume it's bad writing and think of the possibilities.

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Was Frank supposed to be a half brother of Larry? They didn't strike me as very close at all.

Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours

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As far as I know, they're full brothers. And they aren't close, mostly due to the kind of person Frank is. Frank sees Larry as an impotent wimp while Larry sees Frank as a scumbag.

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Ridiculous nonsense characters are, in fact, the ones who do everything according to "normal people logic" which only seems to exist in movies. That's why I prefer horror films (and films in general) to be full of conflicted people with massive character flaws. Because in real life, everyone's a goddamn nutjob.

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This kind of messy, fickle, real life behavior is fun to watch, but often hard to pull off in movies/television. Works best in a book.

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I'm not! But I am.

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Yeah, I don't get why she would hook up with such a square to begin with, they had nothing in common! Larry was a nice guy but just not her type. Maybe a one night stand but not a long term relationship with Larry. It should've been the other way around and maybe Frank wouldn't have messed with the box if he had her, he does say something like that in the novel. Whether he meant that who knows. Hellraiser is pretty much a drama(mixed with horror!) about people making the wrong choices and decisions for their lives. It's like a Shakespearean tragedy.

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She did love him and she was happy to marry him, but like someone else said, she was introduced to something new. She likely thought she would become satisfied with Larry but she was too gone by that point and she was bored with Larry. In the scene were she was watching boxing with Larry, he was surprised as she was disgusted by the violence, unbeknownst to him that she was killing men for Frank, people change. It was implied through the flash back that Julia was different before Frank entered the scene, she was a person who wanted Larry. She must have loved him otherwise she would have let Frank kill Larry earlier on.

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Yeah, you make some good points! I just think Frank and Julia would've been happier together but it also probably would've led to abuse considering Frank's rough nature. It just wasn't a good situation for anybody including innocent strangers around them especially the poor fucks Julia brings home lol! To me they are the real victims.

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That is what the sad thing is, he very quickly throws Julia off to the side when he no longer needed her. She would have seen that very soon had she left with him before she married Larry. Frank did not give two shits about Julia. If Kirsty hadn't stuck her nose into it her father would be alive and Julia and frank would be long gone. Innocent fucks? That made me laugh.

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LOL maybe "innocent" isn't the right word to describe those dudes(hell, they were probably married with kids) but I don't think they deserved to have their domes smashed in with a hammer after thinking they're going to get their dicks wet from some desperate housewife pussy either!! The second victim was so laid back and chill then WHAM!! deader than a door nail. What a way to go. Yeah you're right, Julia was just another piece of ass to Frank, another disposable bitch just like the girls in those polaroids.

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or it could just be the bad acting.

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Money. Stability. It's actually a pretty spot on character assasination of almost the entire female gender. Larry is the typical emotionally and physically stable Beta male women eventually want to marry and settle down with. Frank represents the dangerous, broody Alpha male they want to *beep* behind their boyfriend/husbands back. Julia represents most of your typical females while Kirsty represents the younger more naive side of the female gender. The entire film is only a play on how Bondage/SM (or sexual deviancy in general really) interrupts those relationships between the four types.

By the way, I am right behind you.

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This is quite true. I don't like that it's true, but that unfortunately doesn't stop it from being true.

I wish these were ridiculous nonsensical characters, but they're not. They're just depicted melodramatically because it's a movie. From the 80's.

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Bump.

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Grind.

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