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Weakest element of this movie


Is the script. I couldn't understand virtually ANY of the dialogue. I'm surry, but it seemed like it was either written by a bunch of disjointed writers, or else someone mostly took a bunch of words from the dictionary, wrote them down, threw them up in the air, and then called it a script. It SERIOUSLY detracted from the film. On top of that, much of what was said was indecipherable. I just couldn't follow the story line. In addition, though I like both actors, Weber and McDermott seemed a bit over the top and over acting. Probably because it was early in their careers. Not horrendously, but enough to take away from their believability. The battle scenes were well shot, and the cinematography was excellent, but those other elements just took away a lot from this movie. NOT Platoon

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Made sense to me. That's the way they talked back then.

You were born a pig farmer.
You'll always BE a pig farmer.
And now, you will DIE a pig farmer.

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uh, huh??? "Back then" We're not talking about the STONE AGE, we're talking about the 70's. Some of us were actually alive then (OP) and no, we didn't talk in disjointed garbled non-sequiters.

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I watched it with subtitles and the subs were way off from what was said. Point being, I could understand what was being said fine.

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point being, you're an f'ing genius

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I thought the dialogue was the best part of the film. In fact I would say that the conversations set it apart from many of the war movies made in that era.

What's brutal to one person might be entirely reasonable to someone else.

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The dialogue is written in the slang of an infantry unit in Vietnam. They obviously wouldn't talk like normal civilians because they have been immersed in the army or Vietnam for at least 1 year. I'm currently in the USAF and if you listened to our dialogue you wouldn't really understand what we are talking about either. Of course, for the characters in this movie it is much more dramatic. I recommend reading accounts of military members in Vietnam to understand their slang and their own terms for things. Such as:

AO=area of operations, where they are currently operating
unass=get out of there quickly
Mamas and Papas= MPs, or military police
boucoup= french term for a lot

I undertstood all of their dialogue, but only because I have enjoyed reading personal stories and memoirs of their time in Vietnam.

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I was in the infantry for 8 years, 25th Infantry Division and others and am the son of a Vietnam Vet. This is actually how they talked, how I was even spoken too as a kid and even how I was talking in the 25th ID which I joined specifically because of Vietnam. I was in 3/21 Infantry and 5/14 Infantry. 3/22 the unit in 'Platoon' was in my quad. I grew up around many Vietnam vets. I was born in '71. My friends father, David Nimmons, was in this battle with the 101st ABN.

The whole thing about the brothers doing the 'dap' and saying 'It dont mean nothin, not a thing!' True to life.

For all you, green apple, cherry, FNG types here who have never been boots on the ground in anywhere other than a National Forest here is some help for this movie alone. Covering them all would be a pain in my 4th point of contact:

Boonie Rat - the greatest complement you could call an infantryman. grunts who have learned to live in the boonies.

Boonies, Boondocks, the bush, brush - the field, beyond the wire also known as Indian Country.

Bloods - term black soldiers coined for themselves.

11 Boo - 11Bravo is the Military Occupational Specialty for Infantryman

Cold Steel - artillery support

Chieu Hoi: Program under which Government of VN offered amnesty to VC defectors

Dinky Dao: crazy, as in your all Dinky Dao Number 10.

fast movers: jets, usually the F-4s, F-5s, A-7s

Grunts - Infantryman

In Country: in Vietnam, as in, "Ive most definitely been incountry beaucuop and I'm short"

Tee tee - a little or some, as in, "we are receiving tee tee small arms fire from that tree line.

Troop - soldier, skytrooper, etc.

Skate - to take it easy

The 'Nam or Vietnam, Republic of - Mostly I always heard it called The 'Nam.

Number 1 - very good, colloquially, "GI you Numbah one"

Number 10 - Very bad, colloquially "VC Numbah ten"

Boom Boom - doing the nasty with the local bar girls,

beaucoup -Vietnamese/French term for "many," or "lots of..."

Diddi - short slang for diddi bopping, getting the hell out, or leave me alone. When doc, Motown, and the other brother are walking up they are telling the kids to Diddi Mao!

Diddi bopping - FNG type activity, walking on trails, bunching up, talking loudly in the field, not paying attention and otherwise diddi bopping around with a death wish.

Un-ass - get it, yourself, or someone else out of there post haste.

Most definitely - affirmative

Short, short timer - a lucky SOB whose time having to be in the Nam is drawing to a close.

six - "Six wants us to maneuver aggressively. I told him half my men were still on the hill" 6 is generally the man in charge. In a platoon you have a 6alpha and 6 bravo. 6actual or 6 alpha would be the Platoon commander. 6bravo, platoon sargeant, squad leader. Blackjack6 was the real call sign of the dingus running this real event.

The Pig - the M60 machine gun

Round eye - anyone not of Asian descent.

Alright you get my drift.

My friends father told me Hamburger Hill is the most accurate Vietnam War movie he has seen and he served three tours to include one as a door gunner with the 174th Assault Helicopter Company, the only unit in Vietnam with sharks teeth on their Huey Gunships. He fought at Hill 937.

Apocalypse Now showed the insanity, the twisted psychology. Hamburger Hill showed the reality he said.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

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