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'nam movie for people who LOVE war.


if you're offended by long hair, if you believe that the usa won the vietnam war but had to leave because of hippy protesters, if your idea of great war films are 'the green berets' and '30 seconds over tokyo', then this is the film for you.

no need to watch the horrors of war, this film is all about camraderie, different types coming together under difficult circumstances, and other myths.

this movie is 100% B grade propaganda that will leave a red, white, and blue taste in your mouth.

it'll leave you rooting for war and running for the listerine.


if you prefer GOOD movies, i recommend:

platoon
full metal jacket
apocalypse now
the casualties of war
deerhunter

hell, even 'good morning vietnam' is less mickey mouse than this load of bull....and it stars robin williams.

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causalities of war was fluff.

a nam movie for people who LOVE war is 'we we're soldiers'

http://pillsaregood.ytmnd.com/

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Guy, Hamburger Hill makes absolutely no political statement, offers no justification for the Vietnam war, does not glamorize combat, it simply documents the battle. Soldiers fought, many died. The film (written by someone who served in Vietnam) stands as a tribute to them. You, like many in Hollywood itself, have allowed yourself to be manipulated by today's political climate that states the U.S. military under no circumstances be portrayed in a positive light lest it appear we are condoning the act of war. Please my friend, I plead that you come out of your slumber, awaken and recognize that not every film that deals with war and the military should be required to come with a disclaimer stating "War is Bad", WE KNOW THAT.

With all due respect, by criticizing the film for simply portraying the U.S. infantry as brave and determined, you give the appearance of having crossed over from an anti war sentiment to an anti military position. Most people make a distinction between the two. If for you they are one and the same, well then feel free to say so.

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very good point.

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regardless of any political statement or lack of, the movie was also really, really boring.

ps: I'm not anti military, I'm anti military spending.

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are you supposed to be commenting on movies or what?

take your bickering over to freerepublic with the rest of the freaks.

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I hate to be mr. obvious and break this to ya, but imdb forums are for personal opinions about movies.

hamburger hill is about as entertaining as watching paint dry.

I mean, whoever thought that the vietnam war could be so PC?

Hell, even Green Berets was more entertaining.

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You're another left wing idiot with their head up their arse. How can someone be pro military but be against military spending? *beep* off...

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have any of you people actually served in the military..I mean,actually put your life on the line for your country and our western civilization...?
Something tells me NO..
Go enlist,you get a different perspective on things,I was anti not pro..then I joined up and stuff makes so much sense..the media really only puts emphazis ob the negative aspects of say OIF(Iraq) neglacting to report the positive stuff..(several childrens hospitals,updated equipment among others)Iraqis are pissed off that we are leaving in fact..
Now unass my AO!

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people that go to iraq are doing their job. they go voluntarily or because they cant get a job on a commercial fishing boat.

a great number of people that went to vietnam were forced to go against their will, so there's no comparing it.

if some poor 18 year old hippy kid pulled out of college and sent to the jungle to burn villages because his father wasnt powerful enough to get him out of it (ala gw bush), thats not the same as going down to the recruiting office and signing your life away voluntarily.

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You know... your opinion about the movie says more about you than it says about the movie. ;)

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thats because there's really not much to say about this movie except....yawn.

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saving private ryan is a bit of a yawner excepting the first battle scene.

the original version of a thin red line is a good war movie.

so is johnny got his gun.

and as far as vietnam went, the vietcong were trained and funded by the us to overthrow french interests in indochina after WW2.

america wasnt fighting communism, it was cleaning up it's own mess....as usual.

the threat communism is the biggest and by far the most expensive red herring of them all, if you'll excuse the pun.

communism, capitalism, it's all big government and if you think there's any substantial difference, you should probably clean out your headgear.

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communism, capitalism, it's all big government and if you think there's any substantial difference, you should probably clean out your headgear.

Capitalism is an economic doctrine; it has nothing to do with government.

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Capitalism is an economic doctrine; it has nothing to do with government.


are you just attempting to argue semantics in lieu of a valid comment? That's very small of you.

just to end this here and now, this is what dictionary.com has to say:

capitalism
An economic and political system characterized by a free market for goods and services and private control of production and consumption.

communism
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Booyaa.

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Wait... you think SPR was a yawner (I agree except for the battle scenes) but liked TRL? Did you SEE Thin Red Line?

You think we trained and equipped the Vietcong? We gave Ho’s communists, as well as other nationalists, some help during the occupation by JAPAN, we helped the French (massively) during the first Indochina War. What you assert is laughable. We were not cleaning up our own mess in Vietnam. We were cleaning up a mess of the French, exacerbated by the communist influence.

“the threat communism is the biggest and by far the most expensive red herring of them all, if you'll excuse the pun.”

I wonder how all the people who have been killed after communist takeovers would feel about that statement.

“communism, capitalism, it's all big government and if you think there's any substantial difference, you should probably clean out your headgear.”

I’m quite aware of the differences in the amount of personal freedom in capitalist –vs- communist countries. Again, what you assert is laughable.

Just another “opinion” of someone who can’t stand seeing a movie that doesn’t show American soldiers as a bunch of drug addled psychos.




propaganda=on IMDB, apparently any movie with Americans as the good guys

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Im sure that there are nam vets that aren't drug addled psychos...some are drink addled psychos. The craziest people ive ever met are nam vets.

There's a reason why the us mail has stopped giving preferencial hiring status to nam vets and it has to do with going postal.

it's not that i cant a stand movie that doesnt portray nam vets as being like every single nam vet ive ever met, its that a straight war movie where nothing happens but a bunch of guys shooting asians and enjoying brotherly love is BORING. if i want to see friendship and camraderie, ill watch 30 something...or maybe put a bullet in my head.

As far as your assertion about communist takeovers....what about non-communist takeovers? there's no difference no matter how much you want to convince yourself there is.

you think maybe that when a non-communist power invades a country they hand out lollypops?

your side vs their side is great for college football, but in the real world you have to approach things objectively.

On top of that, who do you think went in and deposed pol pot after he'd killed 3 millions cambodians?

do you think that was the humanitarian americans?
no, it was that filthy commie vietnamese government that stepped in and did what had to be done even after they'd been thoroughly pummelled by the us.


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You should be made aware of the fact that Vietnam vets are less likely to be drug users, alcoholics, in prison or suicidal than the rest of their age group. Vietnam vets have a higher median income than the rest of their age group. These are demonstrable facts, where what you are saying is a bunch of “what I think” leftist propaganda.

That you found this movie so terribly boring is the only thing that you said with basis, (being your personal opinion.) I could personally care less about your opinion. This is a wonderfully exciting movie to me, tons of action… and the fact that it is accurately portraying a historical event makes it even better.

As far as communist -vs- non communist takeovers… you will have to give some examples of non communist/non fascist takeovers… we don’t tend to invade many countries. I know that when the US invades a country we end up rebuilding it… schools, hospitals and all. Americans also hand out a lot of lollypops (and other food, as well as school supplies, clothes etc.)

A couple of more facts for you, the Viets backed the Khmer Rouge when they fought Sihanouk and when they fought Americans. They ignored the problem for ten years (didn’t depose Pol Pot until 1978) and didn’t pull out until 1993. They weren’t handing out lollypops.


propaganda=on IMDB, apparently any movie with Americans as the good guys

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You should be made aware of the fact that Vietnam vets are less likely to be drug users, alcoholics, in prison or suicidal than the rest of their age group. Vietnam vets have a higher median income than the rest of their age group. These are demonstrable facts, where what you are saying is a bunch of “what I think” leftist propaganda.


I only have a lifetime of observations but i guess my lyin' eyes are just leftist propaganda machines. where are you hiding all these not crazy nam vets?


As far as communist -vs- non communist takeovers… you will have to give some examples of non communist/non fascist takeovers… we don’t tend to invade many countries. I know that when the US invades a country we end up rebuilding it… schools, hospitals and all. Americans also hand out a lot of lollypops (and other food, as well as school supplies, clothes etc.)


i dont know how non-communist was translated to being the usa, but whatever.

the 3rd reich absolutely HATED communists so much that nearly their entire doctrine was built around anti-marxist sentiment.


is it that hard for you to identify a military action from a tyrannical non-communist state? africa is full of non-communist tyrants. are there any difference between them and communist ones? i dont see it, and for being a 'communist state', vietnam certainly does a lot of commercial trade.


A couple of more facts for you, the Viets backed the Khmer Rouge when they fought Sihanouk and when they fought Americans. They ignored the problem for ten years (didn’t depose Pol Pot until 1978) and didn’t pull out until 1993. They weren’t handing out lollypops.


how long did the us ignore the 3rd reich? ok, it was 7 years, but things move slower in SE asia.
we would have probably never went to war with germany anyway had it not aligned itself with japan.

when did the us pull out of germany? NOT YET. i count 38 active american military installations in germany and about double that amount deactivated after the reunification (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany)

so who's the good guy? who's the enemy? noone? everyone?

where do you draw the line? whether they like busts of karl marx better than busts of george washington?





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I only have a lifetime of observations but i guess my lyin' eyes are just leftist propaganda machines. where are you hiding all these not crazy nam vets?


I think your lifetime of observation is terrifically limited in scope, clouded by bias and terribly inaccurate when compared to real data. The fact that you would rely on it (even without being aware of its weaknesses) shows you to be the type of mental weakling that makes up the majority of the left.

For the whole non-communist invasion thing, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said “give some examples of non communist/non fascist takeovers.” I will readily admit that any totalitarian state could be as bad as one the was ideologically Marxist. Your example of a non communist/non fascist invasion is Nazi Germany???

You wanted to compare capitalist systems to communist right?

I am well aware of Adolf’s anti Bolshevik sentiments, odd that the two opposing regimes were so similar. In case you miss the sarcasm: Hitler and Stalin were functionally the SAME, (as were Pol Pot, Mao, Ho and Mugabe) – you see they were all tyrants that socialized their countries by force.

Then you seem to compare our involvement with Germany pre and post WWII to the Viets with the Khmer Rouge. WTF are you thinking??

During and after the Vietnam War the Viets backed all communists in Cambodia, they only invaded Cambodia after A) the Sino-Soviet split made them want to (you see the Viets were Soviet backed and Pol Pot was Chinese backed)and B) Pol Pot’s mass murders gave them an excuse. (the Vietnamese did things almost as bad as Pol Pot) The Vietnamese stayed in Cambodia, fighting in a three way civil war for over a decade.

America went to war with Germany after one of its allies attacked us; we had aided people fighting them for years. After the war we established a representative democracy and rebuilt their country (basically handed out lollypops.) We still have forces in Germany, not occupying the country, not enforcing our will on them, but because the Germans joined NATO and asked us to stay.


propaganda=on IMDB, apparently any movie with Americans as the good guys

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I think your lifetime of observation is terrifically limited in scope, clouded by bias and terribly inaccurate when compared to real data. The fact that you would rely on it (even without being aware of its weaknesses) shows you to be the type of mental weakling that makes up the majority of the left.


amazing.

you criticize me for not trusting some guy on the internet over my lifetime observations...sorry, without a citation, your facts are b|_|llsh][t.
i find it especially amazing that you'd call me biased and then in the same breath claim that the majority of the left (whatever that is) are mental weaklings.

i mean really, how do you expect to be taken seriously when you sound like rush limbaugh?

the really ironic thing about your vapid assertations is the people you call mental weaklings are the same people who hold most of the graduate degrees ( http://www.norc.org/GSS+Website/ ).


I am well aware of Adolf’s anti Bolshevik sentiments, odd that the two opposing regimes were so similar. In case you miss the sarcasm: Hitler and Stalin were functionally the SAME, (as were Pol Pot, Mao, Ho and Mugabe) – you see they were all tyrants that socialized their countries by force.


find me one single government in history that hasnt taken resources by force at one time or another....just one...i will eat my hat.

if this is your example of socialism, you can count george washington (establishing dc as public owned), abe lincoln (annexing land in the south for the railroads), andrew jackson (trail of tears), teddy roosevelt (annexing land for parks, annexing land in the carribean and central america)...the list goes on and on and on.

as far as hitler being a socialist, im sorry to say that he was the very definition of right wing. the weimar republic which governed germany post ww1...the same government that was overthrown by hitler was what can be considered socialist. it's hilarious how the righters always try to distance themselves from the the person who represented the purest form of their beliefs.


During and after the Vietnam War the Viets backed all communists in Cambodia, they only invaded Cambodia after A) the Sino-Soviet split made them want to (you see the Viets were Soviet backed and Pol Pot was Chinese backed)and B) Pol Pot’s mass murders gave them an excuse. (the Vietnamese did things almost as bad as Pol Pot) The Vietnamese stayed in Cambodia, fighting in a three way civil war for over a decade.


the us backed saddam hussein against iran and many other instances of backing the wrong guy so i fail to see your point.

i would like to see a citation of the viets doing things as bad as pol pot. so far, you've given 0.00 citations to any of your assertations so i must assume that it's all bull. please supply proof that the nva were less humanitarian than the arvins.

America went to war with Germany after one of its allies attacked us; we had aided people fighting them for years. After the war we established a representative democracy and rebuilt their country (basically handed out lollypops.) We still have forces in Germany, not occupying the country, not enforcing our will on them, but because the Germans joined NATO and asked us to stay.


lets see, america stole all of their scientists and anything else of value that wasnt bolted down, the russians stole the other half. both america and russia's entire space, long range ballistic weapons, and jet aircraft programs were all stolen from germany. do you realize how much revenue comes from these programs every year? boeing alone made 17.5 billion dollars from german technology last year. then theres lockheed, mcd/douglass et al. if you add that up, germany's in for some serious royalties.

with guns pointed at their heads both from america and russia, the western half chose america out of fear of russia and the eastern half chose russia out of fear of america. i dont see your point here. sure, the us performed many humanitarian missions but guess what? the soviet union also performed MANY humanitarian missions. there are many a region which owes its infrastructure to the soviets. alot of those folks were living thatch roof houses and crapping in holes in the ground before russia came in....even in east germany. im not saying that communism is superior or anything like that....im no commie, but you have to be objective and see that theres no damned difference between the two in the grand scheme of things, as every side has its heroes and its tyrants.

a recent poll showed that 72% of germans wanted the us to get their bases the hell out and a further 48% wanted to leave nato, so i debate your assertation that germany keeps american bases around because they love them so very much.
im presently living in berlin and after 3 years have yet to meet anyone who would support the existence of us bases on their soil.

i dont see america backing out of germany voluntarily, it's an occupation of sorts no matter what you'd like to dress it up as. we are as bad as them and as far as i can see, and none of your hawkish rhetoric has disproven this assertation in any way.





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It’s not my opinion, its documented fact

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=myths+about+vietnam+vets

That you would trust your own opinion over documented facts shows you mental weakness. Here you are in an argument, and haven’t even looked anything up.

the us backed saddam hussein against iran and many other instances of backing the wrong guy so i fail to see your point.


Actually we backed Saddam before the Iran/Iraq war, during it he got most of his support from the Russians. We hated Iran, but gave them arms to fight Saddam (it was IRAN-Contra after all.) And, there was no “wrong” guy in that conflict. They were both despotic totalitarian regimes (Iran still is). We had a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, the Regan administration did a pretty good job of it, until they got caught.

i would like to see a citation of the viets doing things as bad as pol pot. so far, you've given 0.00 citations to any of your assertations so i must assume that it's all bull. please supply proof that the nva were less humanitarian than the arvins.


Ho was very brutal in his consolidation of power in North Vietnam after the Geneva accords. Millions of people were displaced and hundreds of thousands killed when Ho took over the North in 1954. It got way worse afterwards. When the US pulled out of Vietnam there were about 3 million Degar/Montagnard people, there are only about one million now. You do the math.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ho+chi+mihn+land+reform

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=degar+people

Next: Your assertions that Hitler and Stalin (as well as a whole host of other communist dictators) are polar opposites of some imaginary political scale show your extreme ignorance of the real world. Politics is not a two dimensional right/left thing.

http://politicalcompass.org/

Me, I’m an extreme libertarian, the opposite of Hitler and Mao… kind of like Jefferson or Washington would be, were they alive today. Anytime ANY government takes ANYTHING it is by force, including my taxes. Government is a necessary evil, and I choose the one that takes the least. Among the industrialized nations, that is America.

Next: Your comments about rocket and jets technology are very, uhm, out there. Von Braun couldn’t wait to get to America…. Kind of like Einstein and a lot of scientists.

Lastly, if the Germans want to leave NATO (which they voluntarily joined,) more power to them. France left once- then decided to rejoin, countries are lining up to join today. I’d rather our troops be stationed, and our dollars be spent, with a real ally like Poland or Georgia.

End note: Could you please pay some attention to your shift key? Your posts are very hard to read. I mean, you are the one asserting how educated you “lefties” are.

propaganda=on IMDB, apparently any movie with Americans as the good guys

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I guess Kahn doesn't want to talk to us anymore- typical

propaganda=on IMDB, apparently any movie with Americans as the good guys

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Maybe if you abandon your habit of presenting facts and employing logic he (or she) will return.

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>>>"The craziest people ive ever met are nam vets."<<<

Most U.S. Vietnam veterans I've known - including my father - have been class acts. Maybe that's just my experience.

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casualties of war is one of the worst war movies ever made.

baby can you dig your man?
he's a righteous man.

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no need to watch the horrors of war, this film is all about camraderie, different types coming together under difficult circumstances, and other myths.


This was true. I'm sorry if it didn't fit the view of Vietnam you got from Platoon and Full Metal Jacket which were good as entertainment but not as accurate movies, and Apocalypse Now which is a snoozer. Black, Brown or White, it (regardless of what you see in Platoon) didn't matter. Everyone was one color. Green.

You are a douche bag. Four things you should do but are not going to:
*Use correct grammar.
*Spend the next 20 minutes researching Medal of Honor winners from Vietnam.
*Go *beep* yourself
*NEVER REPRODUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!!!!!!

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And you're a *beep* douchebag...

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