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Hi, just wondering if anyone would mind clearing up a few things for me?

I watched the first half of this movie and i really enjoyed it but some things confused me.

Firstly i was suprised to know that the jews imprisoned in Sobibor "made love" as a character commented (sorry i cannot remember his name - his wife and son were killed). Did this really occur in an extermination camp between inmates?

And secondly were those Jews kept to work in sobibor allowed to wear ordinary clothes instead of camp uniforms? Or do they wear these later on in the movie?

Thankyou and any help is much appreciated x x
I would love to see the rest of the movie but i only happened upon it while watching TV last week!

*Scott Mechlowicz and Ryan Kelley Rule*

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I dont know.......I need to see it but like......some of the inamtes had clothes and stuff and looked clean.....I know they were im,mates made to work....but arent they sondokommando's? Just another question to add.

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No, I think sonderkommando's are the actual people who worked in the gas chambers, burying bodies, cutting hair, basically assisting in the death of other people against their own will. It was awful, they had the worst job of all, I don't even know how they coped. The other inmates didn't actually take part in the killing process so i don't think they are sonderkommandos.


*Scott Mechlowicz and Ryan Kelley Rule*

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Oh I know what sondokommando's are I even bought a book on them called "We wept without tears" good book. I know that, I just have never seen the Escape for Sobibor movie yet and was wondering if the prisoners inside were them. I was just asking that cause it seems like they werent being tortured and killed them selves.

How sondokoammando's coped, they eventually gained a sense of normalacy doing what they was told to do. It was awful, and some people hate them even though it wasn't there choice. You might like a movie called "The Grey Zone". It does a good job explaininf what sondokoammndo's went through. I still see this movie though.

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You are correct in saying that the sonderkommandos had quite a high suicide rate--this film makes reference, I believe, to one man assigned to this job who had to remove the bodies of several family members from the gas chamber--enough to drive most folks barking mad. And yes, it is also true that the occasional romantic/sexual relationship did occur, although obviously fraught with difficulty. Probably the most famous actual example is that of Mala Zimmetbaum, an inmate-interpreter at Aucshwitz/Birkenau whose ultimately doomed relationship with another prisoner is referenced in "Playing for Time".

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"Firstly i was suprised to know that the jews imprisoned in Sobibor "made love" as a character commented (sorry i cannot remember his name - his wife and son were killed). Did this really occur in an extermination camp between inmates?"
I think that they had to have some distraction from the terrible things they saw. (That is also said in the film). But, indeed, it's quite strange that the commanders allowed it...

"And secondly were those Jews kept to work in sobibor allowed to wear ordinary clothes instead of camp uniforms? Or do they wear these later on in the movie?"

From what I understand, the Jews kept to work were treated not as bad as in, for example, Bergen-Belsen, because they were needed. In Bergen-Belsen, there were thousands of people, and they also had work, but their work could be quite easily replaced. Now, in Sobibor, there were just some sewers, one shoemaker(right?) and not really work that could be easily replaced by someone else. I think the commanders had to treat them not terribly bad, because they were needed. But on the other hand, they did kill 26 people... But that was because they tried to escape, right?

I'm confused xD



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Thanks, i think i understand now! Thankyou very much.

*Scott Mechlowicz and Ryan Kelley Rule*

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Don't think I agree that the Jews kept in the death camps to work were treated better than in Belsen because the Belsen Jews could be easily replaced. If anything it was the other way around. The Jews in Belsen were mainly affluent western-European (i.e. no slavs!) Jews from France, Holland, Germany etc who the Nazis planned to use as "bargaining chips" with the Allies, and as a consequence the Jews in Bergen-Belsen were actually treated better than most of their compatriots. In fact, they were so prized that some were excused work and those who did work were not subject to the same conditions and working hours as others, they were well fed and lived in relatively spacious conditions (not that I'm saying life in a KZ was ever a picnic though!).

It was only once the SS started clearing the camps in the east with the onrush of the Red Army and moving the prisoners deeper and deeper into Germany that the camp started to become overcrowded and typhus became rampant. This is the Belsen that was surrendered to the British and we remember from the film reels. Anne Frank herself was a prisoner at Auschwitz until she was evacuated to the west and ended up in Belsen, where she unfortunately died of typhus, and many former Auschwitz guards and officials were arrested at Bergen-Belsen, including Irma Grese and the "Beast of Belsen" Josef Kramer (who was at one time assistant to Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz).

In the death camps however the relative worth of the prisoners who were selected to work (and live) was much reduced. These people would typically work in the Sonderkommando detail for a period of about 3 months before they were themselves gassed and their ranks replenished from the incoming transports (the Nazis thought this would prevent organised resistance from forming - they were wrong). They were effectively dead men walking and treated as such.

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It is true that ocassionally prisoners had relations with other prisoners. Leon explains this by saying it is their way of 'denying life'.

Not all camps had uniforms. The uniforms people are used to seeing (black and white stripes) are from the larger labor camps not the death camps

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This is a rare and wonderful movie. Running time on M2 says 150 min.

It is comanded in Jewish Law that one of the ways to worship God is to treasure his creation and to enjoy life, including and especially sex.

The Jews in this situation are showing their love for God by making love to each other, as well as using it as a distraction from what's going on around them, which might very well drive them mad if they had none.

Their situation is unusual from other camps, which may account for the clothes and lack of uniformity.

Great performances from the cast, esp. Arkin and Hauer. A real gem.

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Keep in mind that only about 200 prisoners at a time were kept alive as "workers" in Sobibor, as well as the other Aktion Reinhardt camps, Belzec and Treblinka. As for uniforms, the architects of this horror felt there was no need to waste the time or money on such formalities, as they fully intended to kill every last person "working" in Sobibor as soon as the mission of making Europe "Judenfrei" (free from Jews) was completed. Thank G-d that mission failed, in part due to the brave actions of the Sobibor Jews and those who also revolted at Treblinka, Warsaw, Auschwitz, and many other locations, both infamous and unknown.

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by gil-65: The Jews in this situation are showing their love for God by making love to each other, as well as using it as a distraction from what's going on around them, which might very well drive them mad if they had none.

I do not think they were thinking of the Torah while engaging in these [sexual]activities. In other words, do not make the act into something noble. That was hardly their intention.

JKHolman

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they lived each day as if it was their last.

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