I have never thought it was Sid, ever. I think it might have been an accidental suicide. Like she got so high and accidently stabbed herself because she didn't know what she was doing. But I am curious to see what you all say. There is a whole lot of speculation that is what one of their drug dealers.
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See, I actually think it was the other way around. I think they were both beyond high and he stabbed her. It looks that way because from the movie anyway, it shows a lot of fighting between the two and he loved, cared for her too much to break up with her, so in his stoned state it seemed better off to kill her.
I doubt it was a drug dealer because Sid probably would have called it in and seen the whole thing. So, he could have easily told the officers who did it and also he would have some injury from trying to protect Nancy because I HIGHLY doubt Sid would watch the sole human componet of his life be murdered in front of his eyes.
Also, I'm not sure if this is factual or not, but I thought he ended up confessing to it and then before his trial his mother bailed him out where he then overdossed. I could be wrong on that, I'm not positive if I read that or just thought it up or something. =]
I also think he committed suicide not just because Nancy was gone, but because he knew that he had killed her, which he just couldn't live with.
I just found this at Sid's IMDb board:
Murdered his girlfriend, Nancy Spungen, in 1978. Trial for the murder began January 2, 1979. Sid died before the trial ended. He confessed to the murder, but from his story and the evidence surrounding the murder scene, it appears she encouraged him to do it.
I know we'll never really know the true story of how it happened, but it looked like- at least in the movie- that she kind of walked into the knife. They were both completely wasted-out junkies by then. It was very sad that both of them died at such young ages and under such horrific circumstances.
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Sid accidentally killed her. Case closed.
sharePeople who were around the scene at the time have told me this - it was the result of a drug deal gone bad. Nancy was killed by drug dealers she screwed and Sid was unconscious at the time.
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I believe Sid did kill her ... but not maliciously. It wasn't intentional. I think they did have a death pact together, but he didn't really want to follow through until it was too late. I believe Nancy was such a strong-willed person, and Sid a little naive, that she coerced him into doing it. It was in her nature..
It's hard to say what really happened; kind of like with the whole Cobain and Love situation. I believe it was either an accidental suicide, or someone else who was too *beep* up to know what was really going on. Heroin is an insane drug, so it's hard to tell what really could have happened. I don't think it was Sid since he loved and cared for her so much, but since he became such a bad junkie it's hard telling what he could of done when really high.
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You're right it's very hard to say what happened. I heard that a witness told a detective that Sid was too high on smack when he left them that evening, to do anything that night. Strung out, nodding. The detective had some doubt, tho Sid himself assumed he had done it (and maybe he did.) There was another witness who saw at least one other person enter the room that night. It's tough to come to any solid conclusions bc Nancy had so many enemies and owed scum butt-loads of dosh. He died and they went with the guilty verdict based on his confession, I assume.
shareRockets Redglare (Michael Morra) killed Nancy.
shareSid killed Nancy. 99% of men who would actually stay with a mouth like that would have done the same! Plus, if drugged out and begging for death, what do you think happened? That part of the film was true from what I've read - her wishing for death. Dee Dee Ramone: "Sid killed her. She had a mouth."
His mother even knew it, which made her kill him by injecting him with 2X the amount of heroin needed to OD. Her reason was so he wouldn't have to face harsh prison time for murdering Nancy. Confessed it on her deathbed.
I agree.
shareThere was never any guilty verdist; Sid died before he was due to stand trial. He was only ever charged with the murder.
I don't believe Sid did it; he had enough tuinal in his system that morning to put down a horse. He would not have been capable and would have been comatose during the hours nancy died.
Google 'Rockets Redg;are'. He was there that night and even confessed to someone, though conjecture has since beenvoiced over this and the finmger pointed ata dealer who was also a residen in the Chelsea t the time known only as 'Michael'. He is said to have had a lot of money on him the following day (Sid and Nancy were also robbed of a lot of money that night; Sid had just been paid 25 grands worth of royalties days before), apparently wrapped in one of Nancy's hairbands.
Then what about Sid telling police something along the lines of, "I stabbed her but I didn't mean to kill her. I loved her but she treated me like sh!t." Google it.
shareFirst, while I love this movie, please don't take the "death scene" as real. No one knows for sure (that is alive or talking anyway) what happened. This is just Alex Cox's imagining.
Second, there is a a documentary called "Who Killed Nancy?" that while not a great film, raises a few interesting possibilities. Really interesting to watch. Consensus seems to be a druggie or dealer as all their money was gone by the time the police arrived and the night before they had at least 10 grand in cash from some royalties Sid was owed and Nancy had just collected. She was notorious for carrying large sums of cash and leaving it lying around.
Also, I had never considered anyone but Sid had killed her until the mid 90's when I really started reading and watching everything available on the subject. I thought, as many people here seem to falsely believe, it was a shut case. Turns out, there were doubts from everyone involved from the get-go. For example- did you know the knife used to kill her was found wiped clean of all blood and finger prints and laying on top of a suit case next to the door of the hotel room? Also, it is of record that Sid was on enough Tuinal at the time of her murder that he would have been completely comatose for at least 8 hours. This has been confirmed by people that were with them earlier in the night and medical tests run on him the next day while in custody. He also found her the next morning, cleaned her up a little and left her to go get their methadone for the day. He was so out of it he didn't realize she was dead until he got back and then HE called the cops. His "confession" was more of a "I don't know what happened. Did I do it?"
Oh, and Rockets Redglare was a full of sh*t hanger-on. He told people he killed her, that he knew who killed her, that he was there, that he was no where near there, that he was a record producer and a drug dealer- most of which were all bullsh*t said to get attention. I spoke at length, over a few months, to an author who interviewed the guy on several occasions (and published the interviews), and while fond of him, said the same thing.
Again, watch "Who Killed Nancy?" for some more factual information on the murder. Highly doubtful by everyone involved that Sid did it or was capable of killing her at the time. Seems there my have been a suicide pact as well...
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I heard things about Rockets Redglare. His real name was Michael Morra. He died in 2001 from a combination of kidney failure, liver failure, cirrhosis and hepatitis C. Did the police even bother to fully investigate the death of Nancy Spungen?
shareIn his book, Pretty Vacant: A History of Punk, Phil Strongman accuses actor and stand-up comic Rockets Redglare of killing Spungen. Redglare had delivered 40 capsules of hydromorphone to the couple's room at the Chelsea Hotel the night of Spungen's death.
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