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What a stupid way of killing the intruders!


Allie decides to lock those guys in and freeze them to death. Okay, might work. But the fact that he has to sacrifice the life of his son, who has to climb the damn wall, makes it silly! They were sleeping and he is one feet away from them. He could have found multiple other ways of killing the bad guys which wouldn`t result in his whole village burning down.. It is at that point I stopped caring about Allie and his bullsh*t, and the movie crumbled..

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They were all sleeping with their guns under their pillows. I don't see how he could've killed all three before at least one of them has the chance to fire back.

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I also agree it was a very stupid way of killing those guys, but I guess for plot narrative sake, it had to be done that way. Theroux needed an excuse for the family to move on to even more primitive living conditions. So all in all, having the big 'monster' blown up AND killing the intruders seems to fit into the creeping insanity of Ali.

However, the whole time that the intruders were there, I thought 'why dont they just poison them?'. There are plenty of plants and vines in the jungle that are highly poisonous which locals of that area normally use on their speartips for hunting, so Im sure they knew which plants were poisonous. At one point the intruders even ask for some food, and they could've easily mixed in some poisonous juice which would've stunned them all before they had a chance to shoot anybody.

- but then we wouldnt have had a two hour movie :) -

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They should have poisoned them. In fact I thought that was the first plan that "Father" came up with. Directly after they ask for food and Mother expresses unease about the fact that they are saying and Father says the *beep* about unnecessary oppression it seems like this is the way the script is going to proceed. Makes more sense, no?

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The last thing that Allie wanted to do was kill them. He gave them every chance to leave. By killing them in the ice machine, the author (and the film) are saying that the machine is both a benefit to life, and can also be used to take away life. That is exactly who Allie Fox is, a man who gave his family a new life in the jungle, but at the same time almost was the cause of their destruction.

The ice machine is an integral part of Allie himself.

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You are all missing the point - one, that this is based on a book which is not an action Tom Clancy deal; we are dealing with a complicated character that is educated and would not outright grab guns and slaughter. Two, he strives to prevent excessive violence to be shown to his children, albeit the neccessity of the situation. The character that Weir is trying to portray here is a mad genius, not one that is a natural born killer.

On the other hand, it might have been wise to get all the things ready, and then swipe the big guns just before closing the front door to Big Boy.

- Q.E.D (quod erat demonstrandum)

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I never said he was out to slaughter them. I said that Allie never wanted to kill anyone; he gave them every chance to leave.

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Thanks for the spoiler jack.

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hey when he makes a mistake, makes a good one

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Bring'em on!! I prefer a straight fight to all sneaking around!!

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I think he thought it was a humane way to kill them. He kept saying "they just need to lie down."

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He only said this once, meaning that they could survive by laying low in the machine to avoid being frozen, information which they would not know. By saying this, he is reinforcing the idea that he is giving them a "sporting chance" to survive, rather than just kill them outright.

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No, I think it's pretty obvious that he's saying that because he wanted them to die peacefully and without any incident. You don't have "better chances of survival" by lying down, that makes no sense.

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If by "die peacefully" you mean die without any further disruption of the peace of his utopia, you might perhaps be correct.

If you mean that you think that even a psycho like Allie Fox could ever perceive freezing to death as being a peaceful death, I cannot agree.

Death by hypothermia comes about in stages. The first stage being when the victim shivers and feels stabbing pains in the extremities: the fingers, the toes, the ears, and it takes a rather long time to work through, into the next stages, which is where numbness sets in which is the only part where it could even remotely become peaceful. Until then, it is quite painful.

I do, however, agree about not having better chances by lying down. You have better chances by generating as much heat as your body can produce with vigorous exercise, which is where the old Physical Education term 'calisthenics' comes from.

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That is a mouthful of fail right there yammering on about hypothermia, you seem to have missed the premise of his machine making ice in a matter of seconds... there is no such thing as hypothermia at the south pole, you know why? Because at -60 celcius you would freeze to death in less time than it takes to say "Oh my, now that IS cold!"...

And I'm guessing Fat Boy can freeze things even quicker than the centre of Antarctica.



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You totally missed the point of that line.

The scene is supposed to demonstrate the fallibility of pure logic. Perhaps you've heard this before, but if 3 birds are resting on a branch and you shoot one with a rifle, how many birds are left? They answer isn't two, it's none, because the birds that lived would be startled by the shot and fly away. Pure logic doesn't take into account things acting of their own volition.

Similarly, Allie had a plan to kill the terrorists by freezing them to death, which he thought would be clean and simple, but you could tell he never factored in the human equation--which is that people usually don't like to die and will fight back. He didn't account for that possibility his plans. When he said "No, no, just lie down," he was panicked because he could see things weren't going the way he had imagined them. He really thought they would just accept their fates and lie down and die willingly, as insane as that seems to you or I.

So the scene is really all about Allie's limitations in that respect, about how little he understands about how other people's minds work.








"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true."

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The way the whole "Ice machine" scenario unravaeled was the best part of the movie. He used his son to kill someone. And not only did they fight back, but the other villagers awoke, his family awoke, and then the whole place burned down. Yep, pure idealism never quite works.

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LOL, you just reminded me, original poster...when I was watching this movie, it got to that scene of the building blowing up...and my grandpa walked in on me, he asked what I was watching, I said, "The Mosquito Coast." And he said, "Pretty strange way to kill mosquitos." LMAO LMAO!!!!!

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You totally missed the point of that line.

The scene is supposed to demonstrate the fallibility of pure logic. Perhaps you've heard this before, but if 3 birds are resting on a branch and you shoot one with a rifle, how many birds are left? They answer isn't two, it's none, because the birds that lived would be startled by the shot and fly away. Pure logic doesn't take into account things acting of their own volition.

Similarly, Allie had a plan to kill the terrorists by freezing them to death, which he thought would be clean and simple, but you could tell he never factored in the human equation--which is that people usually don't like to die and will fight back. He didn't account for that possibility his plans. When he said "No, no, just lie down," he was panicked because he could see things weren't going the way he had imagined them. He really thought they would just accept their fates and lie down and die willingly, as insane as that seems to you or I.

So the scene is really all about Allie's limitations in that respect, about how little he understands about how other people's minds work.



Genius post.

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Agreed.

'What difference you think you can make, one man in all this madness?"

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He didn't sacrifice the life of his son (River). He risked it in having to climb the wall, but throughout the movie he is shown having his kids an everyone else do all sorts of rather dangerous things.

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Putting them in Big Boy was the only chance he had, for they sure as hell were about to make their move. They would've been raped, killed etc. for their plot.
'have no pity for them' or whatever he said was because it's a matter of survival.
A@@holes with automatic weapons tend to use them.

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Just because Charlie, the River Phoenix character, didn't happen to die at that point in the story does not mean that Allie's decision to risk Charlie's life wasn't in every way, shape, and form, the epitome of the word 'sacrifice'. Allie wasn't nearly as willing to risk his OWN life as he was willing to risk the life of his son to get the deed done that he needed another person to do. Allie was a lot more comfortable risking Charlie's life than his own. Since the entire concept of a sacrifice is to risk the loss of something in the hope of getting something even better, and since it is clear that Allie wanted absolutely nothing as much as he wanted his own utopia, and since he was willing to lose the life of his own son to be allowed to keep it, it qualifies as a sacrifice.

Ironically, however, although Allie risks his sons's life in favor of his utopia, he still manages to lose his utopia despite getting to keep his son.

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