Why did the kid...?


Go through all that trouble to steal new age plutonium? Why not just steal some uranium from a mine?

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It doesn't work like that. In order to make a bomb, you have to have uranium that is highly enriched in the U-235 isotope, which is a very small percentage of what you get from a mine. Enriching the uranium is very difficult and expensive, which is why pretty much all bombs are made from plutonium.

As for the realism of a high school science class making a nuke... well... yeah.

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making plutonium is pretty hard - if not harder - than enriching uranium (it's really difficult to do either). bombs are made from plutonium because plutonium's more powerful

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plutonium is also a lower grade radition factor and its also more stable and safer to use

rational thought can be alot like denial

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Uh, it's a movie!? Hello?

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I thought he stole Americium 241

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you guys are crazy. I made a Uranium bomb last night right after I brushed my teeth.

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"I thought he stole Americium 241"

No that is what Dr. Matthewson told him they made there during his tour with Paul.

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Well keep in mind that there are a variety of labs that _do indeed_ maintain stockpiles of various radioisotopes that they use to manufacture specialized isotopes used for industrial and medical applications.

If you have an old-style smoke detector, you have a very tiny quantity of Am241 or a similar alpha-emitter inside it. The smoke particles interrupt the alpha particles on their way to the detector - when the detector isn't getting a signal from the radioactive sample it knows there's smoke particles and therefore it sounds.

Also, photographic film/paper wiping brushes often have a small cage built directly next to the top of the bristles. As the alpha particles are emitted it induces a polarity in the brush bristles - making it FAR easier to brush off loose dust from the film prior to doing enlargements or making prints.

Just about every single cancer treatment center needs a variety of other radioisotopes for diagnostic and therapeutic reasons...

I'm not specifically positive if the Am241 used industrially/medically is produced by the DoE/NRC/etc or if it's just extracted by some trusted third party laboratory (like most industrial radioisotopes ARE) - but don't for a second assume there's _no_ plutonium outside of government labs - all sorts of college physics departments have samples of all sorts of materials you'd not expect them to have... just in smaller quantities than the "lab" from the film had.

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Yeah, and? What places do you think I was referring to...

I'm not sure about this specific isotope, but as I said rather clearly there are more than just a couple of companies who do indeed maintain supplies of transuranics that you'd be surprised if you heard of.

I don't really see it as being an issue... sure, saying they were making that would imply that they had more exotic materials on hand - which is exactly the case at ALL manufacturers of industrial/medical radioisotopes (with the possible exception that there may be a _few_ that you buy from the DoE directly).

As far as it making sense from a security standpoint to have a doctor spilling his guts to some student who looks up to him... well, it happens all the time.

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Having Am-241 in stock isn't the same as manufacturing it.


Yeah and I guess you're still not getting the simple fact that _most_ industrial/medical radioisotopes are created in research reactors... once again - having some plutonium on hand isn't exactly unprecedented for one of these types of companies - it's only the _quantity_ at the film's lab that would have been a give away.

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The short answer is that he was mad that the government set up a plutonium lab in his town and claimed it was a harmless chemical factory, and he was trying to expose them. The bomb was just to prove a point, the point being that "Hey! There's plutonium here in this lab!"

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Why not just steal some uranium from a mine?

Because natural Uranium is no good for makign a bomb.

Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials.

The seperation of these two isotopes is very difficult and very expensive. U238 is useless for nuclear power or for weapons. It's only real use is for armor and armor penetrating rounds. "Depleted Uranium" Ammo and Tank Armor.



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