I liked the way the movie cleared up some of the mysteries about nuclear physics. Are there any other films that so intricately describe this process without giving away any secrets?
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They intentionally (or ignorantly?) left out several VERY critical portions of a working atomic device.
If you're curious as to how they work, this film gives you a little shred of what went on. If you want to see much more detail, check out "Fat Man and Little Boy" - although that film also conveniently left out some critical components. Just as well...
Thanks I'll check that out. Maybe on IMDB's FMLB's MB they discuss such conveniently left out critical components...unless those components are classified.
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Well... it's kind of funny what is classified and what isn't... Although there's nothing wrong with any given civilian knowing what's "missing", if I actually typed it in here there is a chance that the A.E.C. or some spooks wouldn't appreciate it very much.
Granted their reaction would be very paranoid, as Dr Khan of Pakistan has supposedly already passed on more than enough intel for those nations who are supposedly currently developing a nuclear capability - however no need to piss them off by posting it so boldly here.
Either way, there's been more than just a few PhD Physics candidates over the years whose Doctoral Theses have been Classified - occasionally to the point where the author isn't even allowed to keep a copy. Basically having the pieces to the puzzle and actually fitting them together (or showing somebody how they fit together) seems to be worlds apart in their estimation - so no need to cross the "line in the sand".
Amazingly, I have seen several schematics on a few well known web sites that really _should not_ be there, since they not only mention the missing component by name, but actually specify the elements AND isotopes used in that portion of the device. I don't know if that article has been "edited for our pleasure" yet or not, but it almost should be.
Either way, there's been more than just a few PhD Physics candidates over the years whose Doctoral Theses have been Classified - occasionally to the point where the author isn't even allowed to keep a copy.
Amazingly, I have seen several schematics on a few well known web sites that really _should not_ be there, since they not only mention the missing component by name, but actually specify the elements AND isotopes used in that portion of the device.
Are you joking?? As long as they don't post classified infomration, it can't be THAT bad....Still curious about the websites. I haven't seen any. You could PM me if you want.
"Monica" must be a front name for a lazy terrorist! Who are you working for? Doesn't matter - you will be found. The No Such Agency will find you...click...[carrier lost]...
Riiiight. Thank you for taking the time and for you enlightening contribution to this thread. Although your post did not bring me one tiny step closer to understanding the physics aspect of nuclear technology, it certainly did for my understanding of the stupidity of some IMDB users.
Hi Monica, What is it more specifically that you wish to understand about nuclear technology?
Actually, nothing anymore. I just found TMP fascinating and was disappointed to learn that a lot of important parts were left out of it. I find all sci-fi and physics programs fascinating. However, in this day and age, I don't think how nuclear technoly works should be posted on a public forum. I don't need to know how this stuff works anymore. I just need to know where the shelters are. There are plenty of other aspects of physics and chemistry that I can examine without having misjudgements made about me. It's a damm shame that seeking education make you look suspicious.
The only things which are secret are the hard-won engineering details which allow a nuclear weapon to be designed from scratch, with confidence that it'll work the first time, every time, without actual testing. It's these kinds of things which are classified secrets.
At least THAT is still a secret.
The sad thing is, to me, that in the not too distant future the U.S. government may start to discourage the general public from having any such understanding, and by implication a meaningful intimacy with Nature. Perhaps some day curious students will require a license to study university physics.
On the one hand I think it's sad too that you need a license to learn, but on the other hand, if things like that keep us safe then I'd vote for it if given a choice.
When I was studying computers at my university, not only was there not a single class on one of the most important aspects of computer security, anti-virus, but there were also no books in the school library on it! How I would have LOVED to have learned how to write anti-virus, spyware fixing programs! I could have been a Symmantec competitor! But I had heard that the reason there were no literature on these was because they didn't want the computer science students to start using the books to write their *own* viruses. As hurt as I was that we weren't trusted, it makes sense from a university liability perspective.
Incidentally, you may be interested in Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie.
LMAO! Believe it or not, I had just come back to this thread because I remembered about that little gem... I hadn't seen it for several years and just ran across my copy a few days ago.
This film is excellent... and gives you a really good idea of just how many nukes the USA let off as we were trying to get the engineering down and gathering all sorts of related data; like if it is better to pop off a nuke in an air burst or subsurface if you wish to take out a naval armada, etc.
Watching the Tsar Bomba was just scary... using the same principle the Soviets did on that weapon, it's possible to make the device nearly infinitely powerful by adding more and more tamper/sparkplug layers around the original device.
The only things which are secret are the hard-won engineering details which allow a nuclear weapon to be designed from scratch, with confidence that it'll work the first time, every time, without actual testing. It's these kinds of things which are classified secrets.
At least THAT is still a secret.
The sad thing is, to me, that in the not too distant future the U.S. government may start to discourage the general public from having any such understanding, and by implication a meaningful intimacy with Nature. Perhaps some day curious students will require a license to study university physics.
On the one hand I think it's sad too that you need a license to learn, but on the other hand, if things like that keep us safe then I'd vote for it if given a choice.
When I was studying computers at my university, not only was there not a single class on one of the most important aspects of computer security, anti-virus, but there were also no books in the school library on it! How I would have LOVED to have learned how to write anti-virus, spyware fixing programs! I could have been a Symmantec competitor! But I had heard that the reason there were no literature on these was because they didn't want the computer science students to start using the books to write their *own* viruses. As hurt as I was that we weren't trusted, it makes sense from a university liability perspective.