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Sato talked sense into Miyagi.

posted 2 years ago by Chris822cats (391)
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Miyagi had accepted his fight with Sato and prepared himself. Unfortunately for Sato he was pinned by his own house. When Miyagi was about to strike Sato down, Sato stated with defiance that Miyagi is a coward and that the whole village is going to see that this is the only way he can win. Upon hearing these words Miyagi stopped to think about how tainted his victory would was going to look. After careful consideration, Miyagi decided it would be better to save Sato so they could have a fair match at a later time. Fortunately for Miyagi, this caused Sato to forgive him and let his grudge end. Sato really does have a way with diplomacy.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Yeah it was disgusting to see how Miyagi tried to take advantage of Sato being helpless and trying to kill him. Although I do believe that Sato could have still put up a good fight against Miyagi even while being pinned.

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[–] Chris822cats (391) 2 years ago

"Although I do believe that Sato could have still put up a good fight against Miyagi even while being pinned."

Absolutely. This scene was foreshadowed earlier by Miyagi when he said, "even if you win, you lose." Miyagi was technically going to win due to Sato being pinned, but he know the village would never consider it a true victory. The narrative would be that Sato died valiantly defending his honor against impossible odds, whereas Miyagi took advantage of a situation.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

It must be weird to view that scene through your eyes.
Chozen had already told Miyagi that Sato was dead, so Miyagi could have killed him without any blame whatsoever. Who would know? Sato had already agreed that the deeds to the village would be handed to the villagers no matter what.

As for the idea that Sato would have put up a good fight even while being pinned...shut the fuck up. That is pure nonsense and is why Sato (believing Miyagi would take advantage of his situation) was resigned to his fate.

No, the truth is despite what Sato felt, Miyagi still believed in their friendship and went to save him. Sato even says he was wrong or are you conveniently overlooking that?

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[–] Chris822cats (391) 2 years ago

"No, the truth is despite what Sato felt, Miyagi still believed in their friendship and went to save him. Sato even says he was wrong or are you conveniently overlooking that?"

Miyagi did end up saving him after all. Sato is a man of honor and decided to end the grudge on that note. Sato successfully persuaded Miyagi that a victory under those circumstances would be shameful and would cause him to lose honor forever. Miyagi listened to Sato, as implied by the change in look on Miyagi's face, and then decided to break the wood rather than land a kill shot.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Sato successfully persuaded Miyagi that a victory under those circumstances would be shameful and would cause him to lose honor forever. Miyagi listened to Sato, as implied by the change in look on Miyagi's face, and then decided to break the wood rather than land a kill shot.

Disagree with your view of that scene. Miyagi never went to kill Sato in the first place so there is no way Sato changed what Miyagi was going to do. Not sure how you can possibly, with all honesty, make that deduction unless you are deliberately being obtuse. Miyagi didn't even wish to fight Sato and was prepared to let Sato strike him down rather than fight him. He only agrees to fight Sato on the condition that Sato hands the deeds to the village back to the villagers.

Also, you previously posted this in another thread:
Sato literally threatened to kill Miyagi, yet Miyagi was able to forgive him without any fuss or conditions whatsoever.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Why dont you believe that Sato could’ve put up a good fight against Miyagi while pinned? He might ultimately lose but he could still block and punch. It would be a close fight although I admit Miyagi would have eventually won under the circumstances…. it was the only way he could win.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Because Sato was resigned to his fate and knew he couldn't do anything. You thinking or saying otherwise doesn't change this truth.

it was the only way he could win.

That's just an opinion from someone who doesn't know any better. Consider it dismissed.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

He was resigned to his fate but he still could have given Miyagi a good fight while pinned. Yes it would have been extra hard blocking and punching while pinned since you have to work against gravity but Sato was a karate master and could have fought well even with this handicap.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

No. stop bullshitting.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

What would stop Sato from blocking and punching? His arms were free.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

The pain in his chest would suggest broken or bruised ribs, so any movement would be agony.

Guess you missed that though.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Satos ribs were not broken. After the storm he was just fine. What would YOU do if you saw me pinned down by a huge log? Would you be like Miyagi and take the opportunity to finish me off like a coward?

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

OOh, up early for that one. Shit the bed or something.. I mean it was 7am when you posted that one.

Satos ribs were not broken.

I said bruised or broken, dickhead.

After the storm he was just fine.

Why was he holding his chest then?

What would YOU do if you saw me pinned down by a huge log?

After I stopped laughing I would help you. Mind seeing as I don't know what you look like, just help you.

Would you be like Miyagi and take the opportunity to finish me off like a coward?

Miyagi didn't do that though did he? Stop taking drugs.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Lol yeah right. I can see it now. “Wears Alan here cruisin109! I got you old friend!” You would totally take advantage of the situation to do me in just like you did to Benosheabutters. Now whole board see…. this is only way you can win!

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

I think you are mistaking me for YOU!
Truth is I don't, and never have, seen you as a challenge. You are the Freddy Fernandez of the boards. No more, no less. You think of yourself as Kai, but the real Kai wouldn't have you. In fact the OG on line Kai wouldn't have you to be honest. Remember how you were always just a side character even back then.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

You seem to have respect for the kai. Too bad you will never be a Kai. NRC spared your life in NYC because he thought you could be redeemed one day and become a Kai but that will never happen. Furthermore YOU are Freddy Fernandez…. You have him on your mind so much you even thought that the San Fernando valley was called the San Fernandez valley!! 😂

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

You seem to have respect for the kai. Too bad you will never be a Kai.

I could have been Kai years ago. Romefan123 invited me. So don't flatter your self.

NRC spared your life in NYC

What, by not turning up?

because he thought you could be redeemed one day and become a Kai but that will never happen.

Read my above reply regarding being Kai. I've never wanted to be part of this on line fantasy.

Furthermore YOU are Freddy Fernandez…. You have him on your mind so much you even thought that the San Fernando valley was called the San Fernandez valley!!

But it's you who acts like him.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

You actually thought that the entire Valley is called the San “Fernandez” Valley. That just takes the cake and will go down as THE most epic failure of yours in this dojo. You will never live it down.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

That just takes the cake and will go down as THE most epic failure of yours in this dojo.

Only you could say that getting the name wrong of a place is a bigger failure than saying someone can wear a dojo.
what a joke you are.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

I was using a metaphor. You can figuratively “wear” a dojo. I can imagine you going to LA and asking for directions to the San Fernandez Valley and people just erupting in laugher while you stand there confused saying “Blimey! Why are you blokes laughing at me!?”

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

I was using a metaphor. You can figuratively “wear” a dojo.

No, you really can't. You can wear the dojo's colours but you cannot wear a dojo. Stop either lying or being obtuse.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Do you know what a metaphor is?

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Yes, and you are trying to use it to cover up your blatant fuck up. In this case it doesn't help you as you cannot wear a dojo. You can wear club colours but you cannot wear a dojo numb nuts. You can represent a dojo by wearing official colours, but you cannot wear a dojo.
your real problem is you can't bring yourself to admit you are wrong and are a hypocrite for pointing out someone else's mistakes in grammar when you are no better yourself.
Typical cruisin109, really.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

If you literally wear your dojo’s colors then it can be said you are metaphorically (not literally) wearing your dojo.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

No, it really can't. I'm a Liverpool FC fan and often wear the club shirt, but that doesn't mean I'm wearing Anfield (the football ground they play at).
Stop trying to weasel out of your fuck up. stand up and be a man and admit your mistake. You are only looking more foolish by trying to wriggle out of it.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

I made a mistake…. a mistake in assuming you understood that metaphors are not to be taken literally.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Still with the metaphor bullshit. It doesn't work and you know it you bullshitter.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

There is no bulshit here WA. There is no literal bull that has taken a literal shit. Guess you fucked up there huh? Or were you using a metaphor?

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

There is no bulshit here WA. There is no literal bull that has taken a literal shit. Guess you fucked up there huh? Or were you using a metaphor?

Guess you wouldn't know eh?

You fucked up and are still trying to wriggle out of it.
YOU CAN'T WEAR A DOJO!

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Yeah you can’t literally wear a dojo just like there is literally no shit from a bull here. You keep digging yourself into a deeper hole (another metaphor)

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

No, you can't metaphorically wear a dojo either.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

The fact that you have a Mac and cheese stain on your GI that you flaunt in public means that you wear your dojo for all to see with shame.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Seeing as I tried Mac n Cheese about 40 years or so ago (and didn't like it so haven't had it since) and the Gi I wear is only six months old, then that statement is pure fantasy. Straight back to the Island da plane is coming.

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[–] Chris822cats (391) 2 years ago

"It was the only way he could win. That's just an opinion from someone who doesn't know any better. Consider it dismissed."

It isn't just an opinion, it was a professional assessment by a qualified trainer of Karate. Do you not agree Sato is qualified to make that statement?

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Seeing as he was blinded by both rage and pain, no. He couldn't see beyond his hatred of Miyagi that he had held for over 40 years. Don't you agree?

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Miyagi was going to kill Sato while he was helpless. Sato called him out for being a coward and that all in the village would witness it. You can see Miyagis expression change when he decides to not kill Sato.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Miyagi was going to kill Sato while he was helpless.

Chozen had already said he was dead. Miyagi went to help hence him and Daniel trying to lift the log off Sato. Why try and lift the log if he intended to kill him. Why?

Sato called him out for being a coward and that all in the village would witness it.

So why try to lift the log off Sato before this. Why?

You can see Miyagis expression change when he decides to not kill Sato.

Well that's your opinion, but just as valid an opinion is that Miyagi was disappointed that even in his present situation Sato couldn't see through his hatred that his one time friend Miyagi was actually trying to help him.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Miyagi wasn’t trying to lift the log off Sato… he was just confirming that it was sufficiently heavy so that Sato wouldn’t be able to break free before he landed the killing blow. Miyagi was just making sure that Sato was truly trapped. And if Miyagi had intended to free Sato why did he hesitate? He hesitated because he was debating killing Sato right then.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Miyagi wasn’t trying to lift the log off Sato… he was just confirming that it was sufficiently heavy so that Sato wouldn’t be able to break free before he landed the killing blow.

Now that is just out and out lying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0-6oQa5O2k

Miyagi could have just left him there after Chozen said he was dead.

And if Miyagi had intended to free Sato why did he hesitate?

Because he couldn't understand how Sato wouldn't accept he was here to help, and to make sure he got the strike on the wood just right without hurting Sato in the process.

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[–] cruisin109 (2004) 2 years ago

Miyagi wanted to land the killing blow on Sato himself because he wanted to restore his honor. You really think that if Miyagi had intended to free him outright he would have hesitated? To, um “make sure” the karate chop did as intended? Lol Every second counted and Satos ribs and lungs could have been crushed at any moment. Miyagi was clearly conflicted about killing him hence the hesitation.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Miyagi wanted to land the killing blow on Sato himself because he wanted to restore his honor.

How would that restore his honour? Oh that's right, it wouldn't.

You really think that if Miyagi had intended to free him outright he would have hesitated?

And yet he did.

To, um “make sure” the karate chop did as intended?

No. Stop twisting my words. TO MAKE SURE HE DIDN'T HURT SATO IN THE PROCESS.

Lol Every second counted and Satos ribs and lungs could have been crushed at any moment.

Yes, but no point in killing Sato in the process.

Miyagi was clearly conflicted about killing him hence the hesitation.

Opinion not fact, consider it dismissed.

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[–] Chris822cats (391) 2 years ago

"Chozen had already said he was dead. Miyagi went to help hence him and Daniel trying to lift the log off Sato. Why try and lift the log if he intended to kill him. Why?"

Chozen was distraught with grief and was not a reliable witness. Miyagi had to see for himself. If Sato was still alive that meant he would have been injured to the point where he would be an easy victory.

Finally, the largest clue that Miyagi was going to finish off Sato was he choose to strike the wood in dramatic fashion to assert his dominance. He could have said, "Daniel-san, go get 5 men to help us lift the wood!" It isn't like Sato was seconds away from death.

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[–] wearsalan (5554) 2 years ago

Chozen was distraught with grief and was not a reliable witness. Miyagi had to see for himself.

Yes.

If Sato was still alive that meant he would have been injured to the point where he would be an easy victory.

And could have left him to die. He could have simply walked away saying it was useless and him and Daniel couldn't raise the log.

Finally, the largest clue that Miyagi was going to finish off Sato was he choose to strike the wood in dramatic fashion to assert his dominance. He could have said, "Daniel-san, go get 5 men to help us lift the wood!" It isn't like Sato was seconds away from death.

The dramatic effect was for the audience watching the movie. Furthermore, where were these 5 men Daniel could have gotten? Nobody even helped Daniel get the girl from the bell tower. As for how close to death Sato was, there was a hurricane blowing and anything could have happened, like a tree could have fallen on top of him and made the situation worse. We don't know how much pressure the log was exerting on Satos' body.
So that's just your opinion made from the comfort of your armchair. You didn't have that decision to make, and now that you have you lambast the rescuer rather than the rescued.
It's like J Jonah Jameson and Spider-Man.

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