The very ending


Okay. I saw this film for the first time in maybe 10 years last night, and I was struck by the ending. I know that Woody Allen (and many others) have commented on the happy ending, which is unusual for this type of Woody Allen film. Watching it last night, I did not see it as happy.

I know that when Holly tells Mickey that she is pregnant, we are intended to interpret this as a sign that everything has worked out. The doctors told Mickey he was sterile, but really he was just trying with the wrong person, or something like that.

I believe that Holly had cheated on Mickey, and that the baby was not his. Here is my rationale. Mickey is, of course, tortured by his search for meaning. His perception of the universe is that there is no God and that even if something good happens, it pales in comparison to the void that he will be faced with in death. So at his penultimate moment of despair, what saves him? A movie. He tries to kill himself, fails, then goes to the movie, and as he tells it to Holly, he says that he got involved in the story of the film, and all of a sudden he realized that life was worth living. In this moment, he escapes into narrative and finds meaning in it.

Now back to our final scene. He sneaks up behind Holly, gives her a kiss, and tells her what an amazing story it is (narrative) that the two of them got together. He says, "What could be better than that?" She says, "Mickey. I'm pregnant." He pauses, thinking about it, then kisses her. Credits roll. We assume that she's telling the truth, but maybe she isn't. Maybe the point here is that, because of his new perspective on life, he no longer assumes the worst. He fits her news into his preconceived narrative (which he was, incidentally, just at that moment thinking about), and continues to live under that illusion. Thus, Mickey's journey ends on a rather bittersweet note: he has found a way to be happy but it relies heavily on the delusion of narrative.

It doesn't seem unrealistic to think that Holly cheated on him. We know that her sister was capable of cheating, and given Holly's implied promiscuous background, it seems like something she would be at least capable of.

I also know that some may think that this theory can't be true because Allen has himself described this ending as a little too happy for his tastes. I'm not convinced that Allen himself knows that he wrote it this way but that it may have been written this way unintentionally. Perhaps the power of Allen's subconscious and his pervasively negative worldview found its way into the story. He is not above delusion. After all, he still claims that the character he plays in all of these movies is nothing like himself.

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How about a reply that won't be deleted?

I think that you're 10,000% wrong, and the fact that in your defense you have to say that you think you know better than Woody Allen what he wrote is both egregiously egotistical and kind of sad.

Sounds like Woody Allen's not the only one who's not above delusion.





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They make a point early on the movie to point out that Mickey got 2 doctor's opinions on the matter of his sterility and he was in fact sterile. Hannah had to be artificially inseminated in order for them to have kids. So at the very end of the movie when Holly says she's pregnant, there can really only be 2 options here: A) Mickey wasn't really sterile to begin with B) The baby is not Mickey's. I'm tending to lean toward B given what we know about Holly's past and the fact that they made such a big deal about Mickey's sterility early in the film.

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I think there is a C) option: that since he began a new positive outlook on life, this enabled him to produce viable sperm. This would jibe with the positive feeling of the ending.

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^This.

I want to thank nonoG, aka Frederick, for his pessimistic take on an upbeat ending.

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Yep, you "got it." If you actually look past the contrived trappings of the "happy" ending, you realize that all of the characters are in the process of repeating the exact same cycle of mistakes that they have in the past.

The implication for Mickey and Holly (with whom, in his own words, he's fallen just as madly in love as he had with Hannah) is that, just as with Hannah, he won't be able to accept her having children and will soon leave her.

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I think that's an interesting point and definitely a possibility however surely she knew Woody Allens character was sterile as her sister went through artificial insemination etc. she must have known that they were having problems getting pregnant (but that it wasn't Hannah's problem because she did later get pregnant with donor sperm). She seemed very happy, she didn't seem like she was trying to hide anything or waiting for his inevitable question. I personally like the explanation that the happiness and lack of stress helped his sperm levels. Stress can definitely impact fertility so I am sure this could have been a factor.

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On the assumption that Holly knows that Mickey is infertile - in stead of knowing only that Hannah had trouble conceiving (and it's not obvious that Hannah would tell her sister that the problem was Mickey), it's odd that she would not be pensive about telling him she's pegnant. So I think we have to assume that Holly doesn't know that Mickey is sterile, which makes the ending bittersweet indeed, as outlined previously in this thread.

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Wow are some people overthinking it. It's a happy ending...it's MEANT to be a happy ending. Allen has said so himself in numerous interviews. Doctors have occasionally been known to be wrong. This was one of those cases.

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Actually, no he hasn't. What he has said on multiple occasions is that the ending wound up appearing much more upbeat than was his original intention due to the amiability of the cast.

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I have just watched it and I must say I had assumed that the ending was a slightly nasty twist on all the preceding happiness. I wouldn't put it past Woody to give us a bit of a jolt of reality as an antidote to the sentimentality of the coda.

But I think that anders-puschel's logic is pretty unassailable here. If Holly knows Mickey is infertile (or even that he is supposed to be infertile) she would have made the announcement with a good deal more trepidation and care than she did. So we have to assume she doesn't know, and has become pregnant by someone else. That had been my view on watching the movie.
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My God, it's full of stars!

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