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Where were Minessota Fats and Bert Gordon


The film was missing the absence of Jackie Gleason and George C. Scott and the movie came in for criticism and was lacking, and where were Fats and Gordon? Watching Scorceses review after the film was released; he said he and Newman didn't want the film to be compared to that of the old film The Hustler. The film had started well; however the appearance of Eddie Felson having a moustache did not look like Eddie Felson we knew from the hustler, and the glasses being worn made felson look like an old man along with the jock straps he was wearing where
Newman wasn't that old.

Newman in his interview with Russell Harty for Film 87 talking about the film; looked more like Eddie Felson in the interview than the movie itself. After the roadside diner scene with Vince/Carmen and Eddie the first pool hall location Eddie takes them to is supposedly Ames pool hall in 1986, above the Lincoln tap room in the north side of Chicago, where the pool hall was out of use and was some sort of warehouse. Previous to this at the end of The Hustler, Eddie was told in Ames by Bert Gordon: Don't ever walk into a big time pool hall again, and this is where most fans of the Hustler were anticipating on seeing Eddie come face to face with Bert Gordon in a modern day Ames pool hall, and what Bert's reaction would be to Felson turning back up at Ames? The pool hall should have been in use, with Bert Gordon and Fats having a cameo appearance earlier in the film.

A disappointing film for the American people, which should have been far better, as the movie had no closure to the fans of the hustler. Reading information that Scorsese's writer had a script written for Gleason which he declined, as he felt his character Minessota Fats was seen as an afterthought; and also that no one ever thought Felson would return to playing pool again. George C. Scott who was also still alive for many years did not appear in the movie and there is no mention in the production of the Color of Money reviews to whether Scott was considered to be included or was he ever approached by Scorsese?

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Too bad you didn't get the movie at all. But you can still watch "the Hustler" reruns and yell at the screen from your nursing home!

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Gleason turned the role down. Plain and simple. He felt the addition of Fats was an afterthought...

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Yes that's correct, Gleason turned down the role. I watched the movie the other day; surprisingly a film I didn't like at first, however I have grown to like it, where I was watching it literally every day, although I am still disappointed with certain aspects of the movie but getting used to it. I think Fats would have won the 9 ball classic at Atlantic City as Gleason was a good player in real life. Eddie was seen to be having nightmares. He must still hear Bert Gordon's dulcet tones: "Eddie You Owe Me Money"

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