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this movie amkes a major mistake by call the boy autstic persons do not become autstic one day and suddenly stop talking it something that you born with. there is one kind of autism that does develop later but that one usaly comes at around 2. aslo autism is nota emiotnal reaction to a parents death.


Holy smokes 99 channels and nothing's on!
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In response to that comment... the movie DOESNT say that Eric is autistic out of emotional distress... or that he doesnt talk because of his autisim. It claims that hes both autistic and has those qualities. In fact, at one point in the movie- while Milly is telling her mom background information on Eric- she tells her that Eric has NEVER spoken a word in HIS LIFE. Not just randomly stopped talking. It even stated the phrase "Eric was born autistic"... the movie portrays no incorrect refrence to Autisim

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No, I think you're just an idiot.

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I never got the impression that Eric stopped talking because of his parents' death. I assumed he was that way before, he was born like that. I pretty young when I first saw this movie, so I didn't quite understand WHY he was like that, but now I do.

People with this kind of disorder DO talk, it all depends on how bad their autism condition is.

This was such a refreshing change for a love story. I really loved it. It was original and Fred Savage was definitely cuter back then. :)

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I imagine that persons with disabilities have differing opinions about how they prefer to have their disability addressed just like the rest of us have differing opinions about everything. The best thing to do is start a conversation, become a freind and ask them, then use the reference they prefer, my friend

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whats the difference? Unless they are lip readers, they arent going to hear what you call them anyways!

I heard that calling autistic people "Re-Re's" was most apropriate. Especially for the ones void of emotion or recognition of human speech enough to care what they are being called.

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They never said he had if (definatley). They think he does; I imagine he would be as he is if parents were around.... It takes more than not talking to confine him to institution (It was Uncle Hugo who claimed Eric flew, and with uncle Hugo being drunk; who's to say he really can)

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They never said he had if (definatley). They think he does; I imagine he would be as he is if parents were around.... It takes more than not talking to confine him to institution (It was Uncle Hugo who claimed Eric flew, and with uncle Hugo being drunk; who's to say he really can)

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Deaf with a capital D implies that they are part of a 'Deaf culture', which is why they are Deaf. As far as I know there is no Blind culture, so there are 'people who are blind'. (put the person first, because that is what they are, a person firs and foremost)

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In response to the argument of saying "child with Autism", instead of Autistic child is correct and those people who address people especially people with disabilities should know how to "label" them first before saying anything that may offend them...

It is important to acknowledge the fact that he/she is a person and then their disability. or person-first language...

Anyways, thought i would give my two cents, since i had seen someone post about it.


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Its called people centered language and encourages remebering that the individual is first a person and secondly happens to have a disability.

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Well said :)

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Ktrimue, Thank you for what you call "political corectness" which is actually plain old fashioned "CLASS". You appear attentive to certain issues of our times and I believe the way you experssed that was well said. I truly hope the ignorance and cruelty will not deter you from becoming ever more enlightened.

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Well, the HBO guide says the following: "A teenage girl befriends an autistic boy who sits on his roof, perched as if ready to fly".

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Actually you are both somewhat right. Some autistic individuals never learn to speak others eventually develop speech after years of work. The problem with individuals prospectives is that autism is not one particular thing but rather a composite of symptoms that make up a continuum of symptoms or characteristics. Millie does make the comment that Eric never talked which gives more credence to the diagnosis of autism, of course losing parents could cause PTSD as well. Individuals with sever autism often do not relate well to people and self-stimulate, like Eric making planes or pretending to fly. Like all movies this one takes elements of the truth and blends it with fiction (none of us really believe Eric could no natter how cool it would be if he did.) The important part of the movie in my opinion as the mother of a son who has autism if that individuals with disabilities need friendship just like everyone else.

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I'm legally blind..or illegally sighted, depends on how you want to look at it. Anyway we say Blind or Blind Person. That whole 'impaired' thing is an insult to most.

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Regarding the comments made saying that Jay Underwood was not autistic (a term more preferred than autism by some people who have the condition), this movie was made in 1986 and the knowledge doctors and the general public had about autism back then was not what it now. It was still widely believed at that time that autism is caused by the neglect of a parent or a traumatic event in one's childhood. While these things can cause social withdrawal, they do not cause autism, which is something much more complex. If other things in the portrayal of autism were inaccurate, keep in mind that that description was only used once in the film (when Fred Savage mentioned it at the dinner table). This film was made before "Rain Man" and before there were stories all over the news of people with autism, so they did not "advertise" this film at its time as being about an autistic as much as being about a mute youth with a unique ability. Anyways, I thought this was a very good and uplifting movie.

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while it's true that people do not become autistic through traumatic events or the trauma of parents, i do know (firsthand) of a few cases of autism where the child was developing at an average pace (beginning to talk, interacting) and then suddenly stopped talking and interacting around 18 months of age. while the movie doesn't really portray autism as well as it could, i still thought it was a very sweet movie.

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For heaven sake, I don't care what he was or wasn't (or what deaf or blind people are or aren't; my friend's mother is deaf, and I've never heard her use the so-called politically correct phrase "hearing-impaired," for that matter). All I care about is that the movie is really touching and worth watching. Besides, I had a heart-stopping crush on Jay Underwood back in 88-89. In fact, I am so thinking about Ebaying or Amazoning the DVD for old time's sake. It is so very enchanting and a wonderful way for me to travel back in time for a couple of hours... with a Shirley Temple in my hand, (sigh).

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You also have to remember that this was 1986. For a long time, having children with mental disabilities was considered "wrong" and "sinful" and the mother was often blamed for it. They also used to abandon said babies so that their household and bloodline wouldn't be considered tainted by "bad blood". Even royalty was ashamed when this happened. If the children weren't abandoned to the wolves, they were often put in sanitariums, where they often died because no one wanted to touch them, let alone care for them. They were never freed and rarely made it past childhood and often died in solitude. No, it wasn't "right" by our standards today, but they didn't have the medical knowledge we do and continue to get today. People were just beginning to realize that not only was it not the woman's fault that she gave birth to a "deformed" child, but it happened in the womb. I say "deformed" for the reason that that is what they were called for centuries, so don't flame me for it. This movie was made in 1986 and covered the attitudes toward autism and such mental retardations to a T. Doctors weren't really sure what rendered them and most mothers were those of previous generations who thought having a "retarded" baby was wrong and that the mothers that had given birth to them had done something wrong to cause God to hate them so much. A few doctors tried to help keep women informed, but most of them chose not to listen. To this day some people still don't get what they did wrong to "deserve a "retarded" baby" and choose to abort them rather than give them life. It's not "right" by any means, but that doesn't mean it still doesn't happen. /rant

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Silvery, I know what you mean. The funny thing is, when a woman choses to abort a baby that they know will be mentally challenged or autistic or even deformed, they say "that isnt a quality of life" or "the child will only suffer thru life". They never admit they are the ones who do not want to deal with the hardships that come with raising a child like that. Its a social thing, a comfort thing..something they tell themselves to believe.

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Exactly. Thank you for understanding.

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For Pete's sake, it was 1986, not 1886. Yes, there have been great strides in medical understanding of autism in the last 23 years (I have a friend who was diagnosed as autistic as a child around that time, and the diagnosis was later changed to Asperger's syndrome once that became a separate category, so I am aware of the significant changes), but I do not know of any case of a child born in the 80's being abandoned because he or she was "retarded." I have also not heard anyone say, even in my childhood, that "having a "retarded" baby was wrong and that the mothers that had given birth to them had done something wrong to cause God to hate them so much." Seriously, just because you weren't born yet doesn't mean it was the dark ages.

To this day some people still don't get what they did wrong to "deserve a "retarded" baby" and choose to abort them rather than give them life.
This is true, today, and the fact that it happens breaks my heart.

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Alright, so I was a year off of being born. Don't blame me, blame my parents. :-p But seriously, it does happen and it has happened a lot all the way up till now. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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That age guess was a total shot in the dark...

I just want to distinguish between what happens once in a great while and what is the norm. Twenty years from now, on the Willard discussion board (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310357/), someone is going to say "You also have to remember that this was 2003. For a long time, having your house completely infested with rats was considered normal. They just didn't have the knowledge we do today."

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Ha! Yeah, I get that a lot. :p

Actually, you just proved my point by saying that. I have only experienced it once, but I've heard enough stories to prove the validity of my point.

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Two comments here.

First, as some have noted, in 1986 autism was not very well understood. A lot easier for Hollywood to make mistakes, and a lot easier for the audience to swallow it.

Second, I agree that I do not think Eric was truly autistic. I think that rather he has suffering some sort of PTSD/withdrawal related to his parents death. A true autistic child (of that severity) would be rather unlikely to connect with Milly the way he did. A child with some sort of withdrawal disorder may be finally reached by a new neighbor, someone expressing interest in him, someone who has also lost a parent, someone who shows genuine affection for him. Or at least, it seems more plausible. Still, it would be easy (especially in the 80s) to mistke this for autism.

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I was about 15 years old when I first saw The Boy Who Could Fly. I didn't see it till the following year on the Disney Channel in 1987. And I remember I had no idea what autism was at all. In fact, don't think I had even heard the word. Back then I thought with him loosing his parents at such a young age, he was suffering with very deep depression.

But now I'm an adult so I understand autism a bit more.

If you have the DVD of this movie, they talk about autism in the commentary quite a bit. It's all very interesting on what they have to say. They talk about how they had Milly say in that one scene "He MAY be autistic" instead of actually saying that he did in fact have it. They said it was something about they didn't think people would understand about a boy with autism having the ability to fly and that it would confuse people so that's why they had Milly say that line..and that that was the only time in the movie autism was actually mentioned. (I don't remember their exact words in the commentary since I haven't watched it in a while but that's the gist of it.)

Also they talked about in the commentary how people with autism can be focused only on one thing and are also good at only one thing..and Eric was that way with flying.

Jay Underwood also talked about going to a school that had children with autism and how he sat down with one child who was playing Pac-Man. Jay tried to talk to the child but the child didn't even know he was there. Jay then said, "I was talking to Eric."

The commentary is very interesting..I recommend any fans of this movie who hasn't listened to it to do so because it does explain some things.

Anyway...with me, I always thought Eric might have had a mild case of autism. But then I was thinking that with how his parents died when was just 5 years old, and here he lived with his Uncle who drank all the time. An Uncle like that couldn't raise a child properly. And then Eric grew up alone all the time, no one wanted to be around him, no one would be a friend to him and there was no one to love him. So a child growing up like that I could for sure see and understand how the child would withdraw from the world, and build walls up around himself and want to be closed up in his own world. So to me, I saw Eric mostly going through severe depression and trauma from his parents death to the way he was living and how he grew up. (And how he was put into an institution and almost died) That's why when Milly finally was the first person to really reach out to him, he started to respond and started to be a friend and wanted to love her back.

Of course even today I don't quite understand everything about autism since I've never studied it or anything. But I think this movie did OK with it in my opinion. I didn't see anything wrong with having Eric's character as autistic.

But that's just how I see it.

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Excuse me, but I happen to be autistic. I know how autism works.

I love you, Kristen Stewart. :) You are so beautiful and talented. I would love to perform with you.

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I don't remember hearing about Autism in the 80s. There have been 5 definitions over last 55 years, here is the one from time of the movie.

https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/evolution-autism-diagnosis-explained/

The ‘refrigerator mother’ concept was disproved in the 1960s to 1970s, as a growing body of research showed that autism has biological underpinnings and is rooted in brain development. The DSM-III, published in 1980, established autism as its own separate diagnosis and described it as a “pervasive developmental disorder” distinct from schizophrenia.

Prior versions of the manual left many aspects of the diagnostic process open to clinicians’ observations and interpretations, but the DSM-III listed specific criteria required for a diagnosis. It defined three essential features of autism: a lack of interest in people, severe impairments in communication and bizarre responses to the environment, all developing in the first 30 months of life.

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