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So Burke....

posted 8 years ago by tyrexden
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Him sending the colonists to check out the grid on the planet... that was a direct response to him hearing Ripley's story, correct?

Had Ripley never been found, Burke never would have done the research, find out where the original beacon signal came from, and sent the colonists?

This chain of events wasn't exactly clear in the theatrical version of the film. We don't even SEE Newt's family in that version, let alone understand that they were sent to a particular location.

I also thought it was odd that the colony is invaded around the same time Ripley was found 57 years after the original event.... but in this new light... .its not a coincidence. Ripley being found LED Burke to get the colony invaded.

[–] Corporal_Dwayne_Hicks 8 years ago

There's a much more deeper & disturbing plot happening then just Carter Burke "confirming" the location.

Peter Weyland knew about Acheron LV 426 long before the Prometheus mission. David is only one that Peter tolded about its existence. Weyland-Yutani have been setting up "by chance" with any passing spacecraft. Only when they started colonizing planets they keep a few in the know if others found out Wey-Yu true purposes being here.

Alien: River Of Pain had Weyland-Yutani agents & Colonial Marines posted inside Hadley's Hope. Things got complicated once they got the colony going. Carter Burke by pure luck to him just pushed things along.

You gotta stay in your seats until the Sulaco reaches the terminal!

[–] tyrexden 8 years ago

Ok... thank you. Surely you are right that the true scope needs to include the events described in Prometheus. I hadn't even yet considered it on that level, as i was just watching ALIENS last night. I will have to revisit Prometheus, as that is now part of the canon.

[–] graham-167 8 years ago

The planet Peter Weyland knew about was LV-223, not LV-426. The two planets are nothing to do with one another.

[–] Corporal_Dwayne_Hicks 8 years ago

Someone hasn't got the 3D Prometheus Blu Ray Set. The Peter Weyland Files confirmed he founded out about LV-426 because the Beacon was picked up secretly by Weyland-Yutani but only told David you know.

You gotta stay in your seats until the Sulaco reaches the terminal!

[–] graham-167 8 years ago

If it's not in the movie it doesn't count.

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[–] Corporal_Dwayne_Hicks 8 years ago

Oh okay lucky Ridley Scott going to waste his time retelling this plotpoint again in Alien: Covenant for you Causal Fans then.

You gotta stay in your seats until the Sulaco reaches the terminal!

[–] graham-167 8 years ago

Nothing to do with the casualness of the fandom. Only the movies count, period.

If he puts that plot point into Covenant, fine. Until he does, it doesn't count.

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[–] Corporal_Dwayne_Hicks 8 years ago

Nope you missing on the account that 20th Century Fox & Ridley Scott who tells us about the complete Prometheus/Aliens universe. Critcs like you who say only the film runtime counts then complain couldn't see the "Aliens" really ruin everything.

David was aiding Peter Weyland Immortality Quest. What Peter Weyland didn't fully understand was that they landed on the Weapon Planet. Acheron IS clearly showed on the 3D Starmap. Why would Peter Weyland had those planets mapped out for us to see? Weyland & Yutani (yes they both knew) knew about the Beacon on LV-426. Elizabeth Shaw was the chance that Peter Weyland needed with Vickers Weyland unhappiness with it all.

Okay Acheron in the movie PERIOD.

You gotta stay in your seats until the Sulaco reaches the terminal!

[–] graham-167 8 years ago

Movie. It's all that counts. Nothing in the movie says they know anything about LV-426.

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If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.

[–] Corporal_Dwayne_Hicks 8 years ago

Why would Peter Weyland have fake recorded Planets on his Hologram Starmap? If that isn't Acheron being showed then what the hell have we been looking at this past five years huh?!?!!?!?

You gotta stay in your seats until the Sulaco reaches the terminal!

[–] Kruleworld 8 years ago

Burke hears Ripley's testimony, and none of the WY senior staff do anything with it, so he takes it upon himself to sent the colonists to check out the coords.

you didn't think it was a weird coincidence that Ripley says this thing is on LV426, then shortly afterwards, they loose contact with said colony? Ripley also confirms it was Burke with the colony records and confronts him about it.

better to just ignore Prometheus, really

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[–] sevenlilxenos 8 years ago

Alien:Covenant will be released May 19, 2017 and it MAY connect Pro to A1. They are all films by SRS.

Weyland and subsequently W-Y, terraformed planets and moons to make them human habitable. Colonists could then more easily harvest minerals (like on Thedus) and people would have options to living on Earth.

Circa Prometheus (2093) Weyland was creating Martian colonies, as they had already done on the moon, but he then became more interested in finding a fountain of youth as he was around 100 years old. At this time LV426, along with many other moons, had been identified by long range scans as being in a sweet spot relative to its sun and therefore a potential Weyland terraform candidate.

Its still unknown when Weyland actually picked up on the SJ beacon which the Nostromo was sent to investigate. Again we may learn more in AC. Of course by the time of Aliens (2179) LV426 was among 100s of others which had been surveyed and the terraforming process had in fact begun decades earlier.

Why the SJ U-ship was not found during the surveying process is open for debate.

I always found it interesting in the DC why Newt's father and the head dude of the colony thought he would have a "claim" on the U-ship when Burke had specifically sent him to its grid. Maybe the colonists had some arrangement where anything they found, other than the minerals Weyland wanted was theirs to keep .

[–] ttaskmaster 8 years ago

I personally think the new film will actually end up explaining all about humanity's Covenant with God, how we broke it and why we have ended up with Kanye West... that, or Kanye-lad will turn out to have been behind everything all along!!

[–] tyrexden 8 years ago

Neither version (DC cut or theatrical) really indicates how much time has passed since Ripley's initial debriefing, and then Burke later hitting her up to tell her they lost contact with the colony. Her hair is different, and she has been working in a new job, which could mean its anywhere from a few weeks to a few years.

[–] Corporal_Dwayne_Hicks 8 years ago

Alien: River of Pain, Aliens: Fire & Stone, Aliens: Stasis Interrupted & Aliens: Colonial Marines if you honestly want the entire recent backstory on Hadley's Hope.

You gotta stay in your seats until the Sulaco reaches the terminal!

[–] scarlz 8 years ago

The DVD specials clarify this. The colonists investigate the coordinates on June 19, 2079, and contact is lost on July 3, 2079. The Sulaco arrives at LV-426 on July 27, 2079.

[–] wears-alan 8 years ago

You are 100 years out.
Aliens is set in 2179.

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[–] henrimaine 8 years ago

I've never liked the idea that Burke was the one who sent the colonists to search the derelict ship after he had heard Ripley's testimony. That gives Burke too much power. I mean, the whole thing (alien invasion of the colony, rescue mission) happened because Burke secretly told some guys to check out some story he had heard. That little weasel Burke is thus the cause of everything that happens in Aliens. I am much more fond of the theory that the evil company already knew about the derelict ship when the colony was built on the planet.

[–] tyrexden 8 years ago

fair enough.

[–] scarlz 8 years ago

There had been people on LV-426 for twenty years, so to have aliens attack the colony the same month Ripley explains the xenomorph to the Company would have made for too ludicrous a coincidence. Burke triggering the chain of events makes perfect narrative sense.