Loudin wrestles at 168 lbs. - Vision Quest (1985) Discussion

[–] Odedmullet 19 years ago

there may have not have been another wrestler on his team at 168. or his coach just wanted him to pound on kuch a little

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[–] stevea8-1 19 years ago

It is possible that he made the 168 lbs to wrestle Kuch, then regained some. We are talking about a sport where fractions of an ounce can make a difference.

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[–] cweedenj 19 years ago

The wrestle-off would have occured at practice, somepoint during the week.

Very good movie. The only drawback is that Louden supposedly had only wrestled for one year before prior, making the states in his first year. No matter how unbelievale of an athlete you are, you could never do that at these weight classes.

There just are not enough quality wrestling movies.

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[–] greree 19 years ago

"The wrestle-off would have occured at practice, somepoint during the week."

Yes, but wouldn't he have had to weigh 168 lbs or less at practice in order to wrestle at that weight at practice?

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[–] techlite17-1 19 years ago

When the movie took place Louden was supposed to be a senior. The coach was talking to him at one pint and said, "You damn near went all the way your freshman year." and made another reference to, "Remember when you first met me as a freshman and wanted to wrestle.."

Also maybe the 168 guy just forfeited knowing he couldn't beat Louden. The coach also may have told him to as not to make him have to wrestle and risk a potential injury or further stress on his body. When I wrestled I was rarely challenged by anybody at my weight class. I think it happened 3 times in 2 years I wrestled varsity and I either won by technical fall or pin.

I'm curious what colleges may have been interested in Louden, as it's mentioned he has a chance at a wrestling scholarship. Logic dictates Gonzaga University (in Spokane) would probably be the school most interested in Louden, but I don't know when they dropped their program.

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[–] doodle_410 19 years ago

I wrestled at 145 Freshman through my senior year. The only times we really had wrestle off was right before states when every one wanted to drop in weight, other than that there were only a few times and that was just a kid that was pretty much just a practice dummy that wanted to get into a match. Now we would have to move up and down in weight depending on what school we were wrestling and what kid of kids were in the different weight. What ever gave us as a team the best chance to win. Like I have already said I wrestle mainly at 145 but wrestled in matches every where from 140 to 160...to wrestled 160 I had to be over 145. I would move down to 140 when we got the 2lb grow allowance but that was just fresh and soph years for the growth allowance.

Now we use to have grudge matches. This was when two guys got into it with each other. Coach would stop the fight and put the two in the middle of the practice room and let them "wrestle it off". it was pretty cool the rest of would be in a circle cheering for who every wanted to win or who ever they like better I guess. I was in a could of those and by the end of the grudge match you were pretty much spent just lying next to the dude you were fighting/wrestling with. Some times you were both beatup pretty good but it go it out of your system and every thing work out prett well.

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[–] bobafett75 19 years ago

This is untrue. One of my good friends didn't start wrestling until he was a freshmen. When I was a sophomore, I used to beat on him all the time. He was a terrible wrestler. BUt during the offseason, I worked with him and he got really good. His shot became really fast and deceptive practicing against my good take down defense.

His second year wrestling, he only lost 3 matches. He won the state championships his junior and senior year. No one could stop his shot and he He only weighed like 174 pounds, but he had to wrestle at 189 because I was at 171, and yet he was still incredibly strong for his weight class.

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[–] ksieck 19 years ago

The movie talks about the coach from Washington State coming in, and as a Spokane resident, I can tell you that's about it when it comes to Eastern Washington colleges and wrestling. Gonzaga dropped their wrestling program quite a while before this movie was made, and Eastern Washington University in Cheney, Washington about 30 minutes west of Spokane hasn't had a program in years. It's quite interesting that none of the colleges here have wrestling programs, because the best wresting in the state really is here. My high school was 3A state runner-up last year, and we wrestled the eventual 4A state champion for the Greater Spokane League title. It's sad that there aren't local college programs because a lot of excellent wrestling talent goes to waste.

-Later.

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[–] britwrit 19 years ago

You're right. It is weird. And a lot of the big colleges in the east, there isn't much interest in the sport. Back in 1990, one of the wrestlers from my tiny little school in New Jersey, who was good but definitely NOT great, wound up on the varsity for NYU around the 140s.

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[–] seth_kenney 19 years ago

cweedenj...not true at all. Especially at the higher weight classes when wrestlers primarily rely on strength as oppose to technical wrestling and speed. I am from Ohio, and there was a 1st time wrestler named Anthony Gary who placed 5th his sophomore year at 171 lbs and won state his junior and senior years at 189. And he was a tremendous athelete...all-state in football and wrestling.

It's a rarity!! No doubt, but I think if and when it does happen, it's at the upper weight classes--definately not the middle ones (130-160).

This was certainly an inspirational movie (especially if you wrestle) but by that same token, anyone who knows anything about wrestling knows this movie is COMPLETELY unrealistic. I mean who in the hell pins a defending state champ with a lateral drop??? Not to mention the fact that a double-chicken wing and fireman carries aren't very common at the varsity level.

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[–] slimjake 19 years ago

Thats not true either, my buddy who wrestled 103-125 in his high school career got I dont know how many pins off of a double chicken wing. Those little guys with their bony arms and elblows, had to hurt like hell for some of those kids.

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[–] seth_kenney 19 years ago

What state is your buddy from, slimjake, and what year did this happen? Nowadays (especially in Ohio, PA, New York and California), high school wrestlers are much more advanced and wrestle more like collegiate wrestlers.

I'm not saying I doubt you or that the double-chickenwing never happens, but most High School Varsity wrestlers are too good to allow that to happen. Again, of course there are some real "puds" out there that you can run a clinic on, but not too often.

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[–] slimjake 19 years ago

Illinois. I graduated in '03 and he graduated in '05 so pretty recently. The double chicken wing is used in college too, its one of the most reliable and pinners there is, especially if you stack it instead of just running it over the head, the other guy would be flat on his shoulders.

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[–] ceymooney 19 years ago

i gotta say i saw very few firemans carries at all, but i sawplenty of double chicken wings, esp among thin guys 103, 112 and 119 classes. i was a tall, thin 103-119 and found that it was a great move on other guys with my build.

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[–] kwdarling 19 years ago

Sorry but you can...I did.

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[–] seth_kenney 19 years ago

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you that it CAN be used, but if you're wrestling against a tough opponent, you'd have to be pretty damn strong to execute a double-wing.

I graduated in 96, but I've kept involved in the sport. I have been coaching for 8 years and officiating for the last 2. Quite frankly, I just don't see it that often...and I've never seen a double-wing in college.

Illinois must be much different than Ohio, because that move is basically extinct around here, even in middle school.

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[–] roblikesboys25 19 years ago

Ohio wrestler here and a double chicken wing is one of my fav moves to hit. I wrestle 119 and im a juinor.

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[–] seth_kenney 19 years ago

What school are you from, and what's you record? If I see your name in the Brakeman, I'll stand corrected...but I don't anticipate your double chicken-wing getting you to the show unless you have an ultra-weak district, which is why I asked what school you are from.

And also, tell me if your double-wing works at the Ironman, the Top Gun, Beast of the East, Brecksville, Wadsworth...any of those tounraments. These were all tournaments I wrestled/coached at...and a double-wing wouldn't work against that caliber of competition.

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[–] techlite17-1 19 years ago

It's very pssoible some less heralded college was intersted in Louden. Like Adams State (CO), Western State (CO), Boise State, Colorado School of Mines, Northern Colorado, UC-Davis, Montana, Montana State-Northern, Wyoming, etc.

Also why would the coach make him make weight before wrestling off? If you win the wrestle off in practice but can't make weight at the meet, you don't wrestle and the guy you beat gets the spot. We had that happen this year to the school I coach at. Our 189 won big (stuck the kid), but didn't make weight and no way he'd beat our 215, so the backup he'd pinned wrestled and predictably got massacred.

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[–] juggernaut_kennybadger 19 years ago

north carolina wrestler here and i cant see the double chickwing actully pinning someone unless they were a fish i personly just use a single chickwing

Today badgers will storm the gates and I will rule the world

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[–] roblikesboys25 19 years ago

im not going to give ou my name but i am in the top 16 of the brakemen, and i went to state. I went 1-2 there though so Im not too happy about it. I said it was one of my favorite moves, i didnt say thats all i use and I pin everyone every time. I do just use it against the "fishes". it is pretty unstoppable to get out of when you have his arms locked tight.

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[–] julieinwnderland 19 years ago

do you know drew leonard? he did pretty good on the Brakeman, I belive he was lik 14 or 15 and he wrestled 125 i believe. I wrestled frshman and sophmore years, (plus middle school and youth)but i had to styop from a knee injury my junior year. I hope to return senior year though. I'm not a very good wrestler, I do it because it's addictive.

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[–] julieinwnderland 19 years ago

I wrestled at Brecksville last year and got my ass stomped tough tourney. do you know scott joseph from norton? uyou know the little school that hates wadsworth? always good to talk to another ohio wrestler.

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[–] jbussmann 19 years ago

"Very good movie. The only drawback is that Louden supposedly had only wrestled for one year before prior, making the states in his first year. No matter how unbelievale of an athlete you are, you could never do that at these weight classes."

No, no matter wat the weigh class if u have the right stuff and potential, u can make it. there is a kid in the next town over from mine who in 7th grade when to state qualifiers, just becuz he is way jacked from working on a farm, similar to wat louden did.

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[–] elgatony 19 years ago

So this movie's about a guy on a DIET? Too bad they didnt have Trim-Spa (baby!) back in the day. LMAO!!

Philip: Shut your foul mouth, you ten-titted bitch from Hades!

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[–] seth_kenney 19 years ago

You're absolutely right about that! If you're an Ohio wrestling historian (or if anyone else is, for that matter), I have two examples for you:

Anthony Gary, Akron Springfield...never wreslted a day in his life...went out his sophomore year and placed 5th at State. Then went on to win back-to-back titles his Junior/Senior year. He was a tremendous athelete at football as well.

Yoshi Nakamura, Lakewood St Ed's...not as good as an example, but he wasn't a skilled "wreslter" persay...he was, however, like a 10-time National Judo champion...but he struggled his freshman and sophmore year then just busted out winning back-to-back titles his junior and senior year...eventually he went to be a NCAA all-American

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[–] abate23499 14 years ago

State champ Louden Gordon from Wadsworth was named after this character

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[–] actionmanrandell 16 years ago

actually u could.. vision quest is based on true events...

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[–] cgriffi2 16 years ago

Ryan Mango is a two time state champ and an Olympian now and he didnt start until his freshman year in H.S.

Ken Chertow didnt start until his sophomore year and he won states his Jr. and Sr. year and then won 20 and under worlds and made the olympic team so just starting in H.S. doesnt really mean anything.

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[–] Alexander_Delarge_655321 15 years ago

You win a state championship not a states championship. There is only one state involved, in this case, Ohio. It does not matter that there are 4 or 5 classes (1A-5A for example).

Go Big Red

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[–] Alexander_Delarge_655321 14 years ago

Tervel Dlagnev did not begin wrestling until he was a sophmore in high school (Texas) and went to Nebraska-Kearney (D2) and won a national championship. He is now the #1 ranked HWT wrestler in the USA in freestyle.

Go Big Red

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[–] Guillotine39 16 years ago

I doubt the starting 168 pounder cared if Loudin wrestled Shute instead of him

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[–] omegajedi 16 years ago

When I was in 8th grade and my good friend, who was a grade older than me, and I both wanted to wrestle 103. He had wrestled that weight the year before but I was too small. Before every wrestling match we "wrestled off" for the varsity position. Our coach wanted us to be 5 lbs away in order to wrestle off. Dropping 5 lbs by the next day is easy when you have a couple hours of practice left and you don't eat or drink anything for 24 hours.

Anyway, we "wrestled off" 1 or 2 times each week (depending on how many meets we had that week. I won about 2/3s of the time so got to wrestle more varsity than him. However, the next year I moved up to 112 and he stayed at 103. We both were better wrestlers because of the competition and went to state 4 times and won state once.

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[–] arentol 15 years ago

Chances are that the entire varsity team in the 150-200 pound range moved up or down weight classes to leave a hole at 168 for Loudin, so there was nobody for him to wrestle for the spot. It would actually make the most sense for Kuch to go up to 190 and for the 168 guy to go up to 178, at least unless they had someone else nearly as good at one of those weight classes to fill in from JV.

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[–] televisionisbetter 15 years ago

a quote from the movie "nobody wants to wrestle shoot." so the guy who had been starting at 168 would have gladly sat the match out and let his teammate wrestle the monster.

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[–] SendMe581 14 years ago

i heard your mom wants to wrestle him

Ill catch you on the flip side.

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[–] jefgg 11 years ago

Aren't there rules now against high school wrestlers moving down in weight class during the season?

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