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This movie baffled me...


I had never seen it until last night. I watched about one hour 30 minutes of it and it was just not going anywhere so I gave up. I've heard the title of this film tossed around for years as such a good movie. Yes it had lots of nice cowboy backgrounds and sets and male bonding. But it just really didn't seem like much had been laid down or accomplished until the point where I finally gave up and turned it off. I did enjoy Linda Hunt but again like all the characters...it just seemed like cardboard figures in a cowboy set. Lots of ambiance, not much story.

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I was thinking the same thing at first, but stayed with the movie and it got better.

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It's got so many showdowns and stunts that they become meaningless and boring. Taken as a shootemup it's sort of entertaining in an escapist way, but you don't really care much about the characters. The superdupermen are going to be fine and the nasties are going to get theirs.
So bailing after 30 mins meant you didn't miss much; just more of the same.

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This is a western for western fans. The characters and performances are all fun and it has almost every classic western element in it without feeling forced about it. For me it's fun to see all the contemporary actors doing a kind of homage to their childhood.

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I *LOVE* westerns, and this one is one of the best, but like all "hero" westerns, the little things that kill everyone else, never seem to harm the main characters. Plus, weapons, especially pistols during the late 19th century, were anything but accurate past about 50 yards, but these guys are dead aim, when a cowboy with a rifle can't hit the side of a barn. But then that's Hollywood.

Will I watch it again? You bet!

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Finally......This movie was corny and boring and I found some agreement. The guy who said "this movie is for people who like westerns" is just plain wrong. This is just WAY to indulgent. I have loved westens since I was a kid and I'm far from a kid now. The story sucked. I almost always love Kevin Kline movies and He sucked BAD in this. This is not his forte. Everything was overacted and saying they are giving props to the old westerns is insulting to old westerns. Unforgiven was a far better modern western. I have tried to watch this joke about 10 times over the years and I just can't. It's like trying to watch Sharon Stone be a bad ass crack shot in her western. Just does not work. But even that movie was better than this snore fest...........

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It doesn't get any better. I just saw it for the first time myself, and what a monumental disappointment! Underdeveloped story and themes, boring characters, meaningless shootouts (where the good guys hit their marks on the first shot and the bad guys are incapable of hitting the side of a barn) that are not only completely improbable but carry no emotional weight whatsoever. Incredibly overrated. I might go so far as to say a waste of 2 hours.

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WTF does, "Underdeveloped story and themes" mean?

It's pretty easy to follow. Good vs. evil, etc.

It's fine if Silverado's not for you, but there are a lot of movies, not even just westerns with, "meaningless shootouts (where the good guys hit their marks on the first shot and the bad guys are incapable of hitting the side of a barn) that are not only completely improbable but carry no emotional weight whatsoever."

You might find it boring, but I found it to be exciting, interesting, and fun.

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Aww, they had to go and throw in those things like character development and storytelling, and good dialogue. Where were the explosions, and the body parts, and all the slow motion - breaking glass scenes? Don't give me intelligent scripts, just shoot people. This doesn't look like a video game, how can I waste more than 30 minutes watching a movie? Geez, the only thing worse would have been if it were in black and white! Then I'd have really hated it!

Sarcasm brought to you by one old enough to appreciate westerns.

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This movie is not only one of my all time favorite Westerns, but is in my list of top 10 favorite movies. I think the characters play off each quite well, as do the actors. It reminds me more of the "Princess Bride" than "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" in the way the characters interact and in the physical and verbal repartee.

While I love Eastwood's and others' crop of "serious" Westerns this move stands head and shoulders above many of the more recently released sanctimonious oaters.

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You must be joking. Sure we know *some* things about these characters, but that doesn't mean they were developed. None of them do any growing.

Storytelling? Maybe before the editing process. This movie has a very episodic feel that suits TV shows better. It really doesn't have a coherent story arc set up until about halfway through, and by then it's too late for it to get its audience to care about all the characters... and one of the 'good' guys is a straight-up crazy idiot, and basically a criminal, so why are we supposed to like him anyway?

Good dialogue? OK. Let me know when you hear a line from this movie quoted. It came out 30 years ago, and I've literally never heard that happen in real life.


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Wow, I just don't get the negative reviews. I'm not a huge fan of Westerns as a genre; the character development is usually very shallow -- sure the tough good guys get great ominous sounding lines like "dyin' ain't much of a livin', boy", but usually that's all there is to admire: the toughness and one-dimensional manliness.

But in Silverado, I felt the characters were so much more real. The bond of necessity that developed first between Emmet and Paden, and then between Mal and the others as they fled Turley, sort of a repayment for them having stood up for him, were examples of what I believe must've also existed in the West -- good, good guys, who were not above doing bad things when the situation called for it.

Throw in the great Brian Dennehy, who can take a sip of coffee, shoot a man through swinging doors, then suck a spilled drop from his gloved hand without missing a beat. And Jeff Fahey, with his usual creepiness and Jeff Goldblum as a pure sleazeball.

Add some great scenery and a rousing soundtrack, and you have a helluva great Western story.

My daughter won't sit through 5 minutes of a Western, and I had to practically force her to watch Silverado. She loved it.

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You have to take the Western genre for what it is. It is all about flawed characters that rise above their short-comings and fight the imposible fight. Silverado nailed it!

Yes it did have that 80's "cop-buddies" feel to it, and melodramatic angst. Yes the story line was simple and predictable. Silverado was simply staying true to classic Western movies. The greatest part, for me, were the different characters. Everyone can recognize a part of themselves in one of the main roles. The actors did an amazing job of taking shallow character lines and making them believable.

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To me this seemed like a tale of two halves. The first half seemed to be going in one direction and it was almost like somebody else took charge for the second half (both writing and direction). Or somebody changed their mind and had way too many re-writes to the point where it got ruined. I liked the first half but the inconsistencies started to pile up by the middle and looked sloppy in the second half of the movie. Like didn't we all think Paden liked Rosanna Arquette's character? But then somehow she became Scott Glenn's girl?? When did that happen? Also Jeff Goldblum's character. One second he and Rae are friends and he seemed like a good guy. Suddenly at the last minute, he's a fink? Also Stella's character. It's almost like they wrote her to be way more important than the final print showed her to be. The editing exposed that. Maybe there's a longer than 2 hrs directors cut out there that needs watching or something. With better writing and execution, this could have been way way better than it ended up. Anyways it was a fun popcorn movie for a one time looksee but there are way better westerns out there.

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I liked the first half but the inconsistencies started to pile up by the middle and looked sloppy in the second half of the movie. Like didn't we all think Paden liked Rosanna Arquette's character? But then somehow she became Scott Glenn's girl?? When did that happen?
Well, if you were paying attention, there was an entire scene devoted to explaining why Paden gave up on the widow. She loved farming, and was determined to marry a farmer. Most of her lines, and her longest scene in the movie are about that. Shortly thereafter, Paden is talking to Emmett, and he says she has a hard idea for living, and that Emmett is welcome to "look her up" if he wants her. Nothing mysterious: After hearing her talk about the kind of life she wants, Paden decides it isn't for him. He knows Emmett liked her all along, and tells him, "Hey, if you want her, go for it. She's not my type."

Also Jeff Goldblum's character. One second he and Rae are friends and he seemed like a good guy. Suddenly at the last minute, he's a fink?
Nothing mysterious here, either. Rae is a whore; she "likes" anybody who pays her fee. Slick is just her customer; it isn't as if she was in love with him, or he in love with her, though he obviously liked her well enough to pay her. But Slick was never a good guy; he was always looking after his own interests. When things heated up, he figured the sheriff and his men were going to win, so he sided with them, figuring getting in good with the local power bosses would be better than fighting them.

Also Stella's character. It's almost like they wrote her to be way more important than the final print showed her to be. The editing exposed that.
No idea what you're talking about here. Stella's character was important from the minute she appeared. It was obvious from the first moment that Paden was taken with her, and she with him. The way he looked at her, the way he kissed her hand, her reaction to that, the banter between them, her warmth when she says Paden would be welcome to be her partner, his reluctance to get involved in the war between the two factions in town. In fact, Stella's character is what drives Paden's character as the movie progresses: he used to ride with guys like Cobb and Tyree, but he's struggling to give up that kind of life and settle down, and "find his place in the world." His feelings for Stella are used, first by Cobb to handcuff him with the threat of hurting Stella if he gets in the way, and then as justification for getting involved and fighting against Cobb, once Stella gives him the okay and he realizes the only real way to permanently protect her from Cobb is to kill him. Her character is crucial to illuminating the growth that Paden goes through, and the fact that he is, down inside when it really counts, one of the good guys.

Sometimes it isn't enough to just kinda/sorta half watch a movie one time, without really paying much attention, in order to know what's going on. Sometimes it's worth watching with both eyes open, and listening, and paying attention. And sometimes, watching more than once reveals levels of plot and character development that might not have been noticed by someone who "watched" the movie while sleeping.

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jcosyn-1-,I had to take a moment to tell you that your response to j_captain's post about Silverado being baffling, badly written, directed, edited, without character development, full of plot holes, confusing, and an inferior western to be 100% right on! I agree with everything you said in your well thought out and eloquently written post. I respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that, often, a film can fall short of being "good" due to a bad script, lack of character development, plot holes and bad directing. However, none of these things can honestly be said about Silverado, because they are, as you pointed out, simply not true.

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However, none of these things can honestly be said about Silverado, because they are, as you pointed out, simply not true.
Absolutely!

I hope the OP ended up finding the time to watch the whole film. This is one film which IMO, shouldn't be accused of underdevelopment of its ensemble cast of characters. It's a 133 minute film for a reason in that it tells a broad, but easily understood story, that pans out successfully in the end.

Have seen it a number of times over the years and always enjoyed the experience.

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