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Darkness yelling 'Father! Protect me!'


As he's being sucked out into... space (Aliens style) Darkness yells, "Father! Protect me!"

So, does that mean that Darkness is not the true Prince of Darkness/Satan/Devil then?

Or if he is the Devil, is he calling out to God for help?!

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I never saw Darkness being related to Christian mythology. I think his "father" was a higher Dark Power or something like that.

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Darkness was pretty freaking terrifying can't imagine what his Pops would look like.

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Christian "mythology" ...... hmmm that deserves a thread of debate all by itself....

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So you're saying that the 'devil' isn't mythology but is rather a real living being? Wow...

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So what if the previous poster is saying that? What's it to you?

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Uh, he wasn't the one suggesting the Devil's status as a mythological figure is debatable, he simply responded to the challenge.







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So you're saying that the 'devil' isn't mythology but is rather a real living being? Wow...


I won't speak for the other posters, but if they are godly people then yes, they are indeed saying that.

And I am saying that for sure.

Why are you "wowing" at the facts of reality? satan is a fact and a real living being.

The only thing to "wow" about is you denying the facts of reality, then acting as if/implying in your post that your denial is "normal" and that others who do not deny the facts of reality are "abnormal." So in response to you doing that, I say: wow!

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I agree. Darkness is obviously just... well, the livign embodiment of darkness. I think his dad is just the embodiment of evil.

I bet you say that to all the Nordic ice goddesses. -Tora Olafsdotter

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I never saw Darkness being related to Christian mythology.


satan is Christian fact, not Christian mythology.

Although I agree that Darkness in this film is not related to the Christian fact of satan, this film nonetheless tries awfully hard to pretend that Darkness is satan. I.e. they make Darkness look like satan, they make Darkness's home look like Hell, etc. So basically they are trying to have their cake and eat it too: pretend Darkness both is and is not satan.

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satan is Christian fact, not Christian mythology.


Actually, Satan is both.

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Darkness speaks & hears the voice of his 'father' earlier in the film too, when he/it advises Darkness in how to enrapture & capture Lily.

I think Darkness is depicted as a Devil-like creature, but not necessarily Satan in the Christian sense.
His 'father' was likely, as another poster said, a higher power.


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I think Darkness is depicted as a Devil-like creature, but not necessarily Satan in the Christian sense.
His 'father' was likely, as another poster said, a higher power.
>>> Exactly. There are many variations and myths concerning the devil. It isn't all about the Christian version. Darkness is simply a demonic entity that is given dominion over the realm we see depicted in the film. He is the classic design of a devil, but certainly not the Satan of Christian belief who is said to be an angel of light, not a red skinned horned monster with cloven hooves. The movie is steeped ion myth, and this devilish design is myth-based as well.

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I kind of took it that perhaps there was a bigger threat. That the darkness answered to a bigger and greater evil. Herreken ...lol..what an ignorant schmuck.

"I'm not saying that the character wasn't influenced by Christian imagery & mythology. I just don't think that he was a character or the spawn of a character from Christian myth."

You missed the point. Calling it "mythology" is a pretty insulting characterization.



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I kind of took it that perhaps there was a bigger threat. That the darkness answered to a bigger and greater evil. Herreken ...lol..what an ignorant schmuck.


I'm not saying that the character wasn't influenced by Christian imagery & mythology. I just don't think that he was a character or the spawn of a character from Christian myth.

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Ack who gives a sheit about Christians? the Devil isnt more then a conglomerat of pagan Gods, visually stealing from Cernunios.

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You missed the point. Calling it "mythology" is a pretty insulting characterization.


My comment wasn't meant to be insulting.

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Nope. It's reality. It's not insulting to call the tales of Zeus and company Greek mythology, so it's similarly not insulting to categorize Christian tales correctly.

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so it's similarly not insulting to categorize Christian tales correctly.


1. That's a lie. Yes, it is insulting.

2. Christian facts are not "tales." You disparagingly calling them "tales" there is just another equally insulting substitution for "mythology."

3. You did not classify the fact of satan correctly. If you did, you would have admitted that satan is a fact.

Stop pretending that your anti-Christian insults are not insulting. They are.

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Religious belief in Satan and Hell are matters of faith, not fact.

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You missed the point. Calling it "mythology" is a pretty insulting characterization.


Calling something mythological "mythology" is insulting? 






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the darkness answered to a bigger and greater evil.


"A bigger and greater evil"...in other words, Darkness answer to, yes, you guessed it - satan.

But that's pretty ridiculous since Darkness already has most of the traits of satan, i.e. the filmmakers largely made Darkness by copy and pasting traits from satan into the Darkness character.

Although Darkness also has some weak traits that satan does not have, but the average viewer won't pick up on that. The average viewer will just see how Darkness was made in the image of satan and justifiably assume that he is supposed to be satan.

Calling it "mythology" is a pretty insulting characterization.


Good point. I felt the same way even before I read your post there. That's why I corrected the other posters by noting how satan is Christian fact.

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Being raised a Catholic, it is known that the Devil ans God are the kings of their realms and angels and demons are some sort of "sons" but at the same time represent them with the same power.

So it doesn´t matter to me if he´s just the son because they represent the same danger and evil, an extension of them.

Im sure the director took the Catholic imagery of the Devil, always represented as a hybrid beast, all red, half bull- half goat and so.

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the thing about the catholic church is that the catholic church doesn't actually fallow the bible AT ALL

for instance Catholics believe marry died a virgin when the bible states she had multiple children with Joseph

Catholics teach that the emasculate conception which is never mentioned in the bible and believe its referring to her birth stating that marry was born with out sin which is contradictory to what the bible teaches

Catholics teach that sins can be absolved by a minister or a preacher or a priest when the bible says that only Jesus can do so

Catholics prey to marry and Saints when the bible says not to also the bible calls every believer a saint


also the bible states that the demons are the fallen angels NOT the sons of the devil

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I think at the beginning he also mentions his mother doesn't he???

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I think calling Darkness an Anti-Christ might be the right idea although I don't think we are supposed to see this movie in Christian terms. But in Christianity Jesus is God's son and acts as his representative and prime minister on earth and in heaven. All power comes to Christ from God the father and he acts on his behalf and in his name. God is the ultimate power behind Christ in this theology. The Christian Anti-Christ could be said to have a similar relationship with his father Satan.

I don't think Legend takes place in a specifically Christian universe but rather a more general dualistic religious universe although I think it could be seen as similar to a Christian one in the sense of a son acting as the agent of his father the king. Darkness' father would be the true god of evil and Darkness would be his servant and agent. His chief enforcer perhaps.

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Possibly Darkness is like Sauron and his "father" is like Morgoth.

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If nothing else, I'd say there is definitely some hint of Morgoth influence in Darkness.

Lily doing the Luthien bewitching of him; him being banished to the void.

Hard to speculate on his father, though. I think it's just edited down to fit into the length of a movie; it was easier to combine several evil characters into one.

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except for the fact the bible states that God the Father God the son and the holy spirit are actually simply 3 sides to one being
all 3 are all powerful as they are one being

the anti Christ in the bible isn't the child of satan its a human that is granted power from a demon(not necessarily lucifer or satan)

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The Darkness was the prince of the underworld you realize the term prince implies there is a king right? its not like nations that the highest power is the prince


he is simply the prince of the underworld

and he was referring to his father the ultimate darkness

its implied his father is a satanish character

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The Darkness was the prince of the underworld you realize the term prince implies there is a king right? its not like nations that the highest power is the prince


he is simply the prince of the underworld

and he was referring to his father the ultimate darkness

its implied his father is a satanish character


The English word "prince" and the Latin word Princeps have many meanings.

When I first read The Lord of the Rings I found the title of the Prince of Dol Amroth hard to understand.

One example is a royal prince, a member of a royal dynasty, a prinz in German.

Another meaning is the ruler of a principality within a larger realm, a furst in German. In the Holy Roman Empire landgraves, margraves, counts palatine, princely counts, princes, dukes, grand dukes and archdukes were all classified as princes of the empire. The Prince of Dol Amroth would be called a furst in German.

Another meaning is a ruler in general as when Queen Elizabeth I, when the Armada was coming, said that she thought foul scorn that Philip, or Parma, or any other prince would try to invade England. (Parma refers to the Duke of Parma in Italy, the Spanish General in the Low Countries whose army the Armada was supposed to ferry over to England).

Thus calling the Devil the Prince of Darkness does not mean that he is the son and heir to the King of Darkness, but instead means that he is the sovereign of all the forces of Darkness.

Because one of the titles of the early Roman Emperors was Princeps Senatus, First Man of the Senate, Princeps and prince can be used as meaning Imperator Caesar Augustus and emperor, and thus the title for someone claiming to be the rightful ruler of the universe.

Thus when King Owain Gwynedd of Gwynedd (Northwest Wales) claimed to be Princeps walliae Prince of Wales, he could have been claiming to be a lowly furst or to be Emperor of Wales.

Therefore Darkness, the Prince of the Underworld, could have been either 1) the heir of the underworld or else 2) the sovereign ruler of the Underworld. Possibility number 2) would mean that his father was not the supreme ruler of the underworld but had some other position.

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So, does that mean that Darkness is not the true Prince of Darkness/Satan/Devil then?


It certainly does. satan does not pray to other false gods who he considers to be above himself. satan believes he is above everyone else.

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It is possible that the situation is like during the story of Beren and Luthien during the First Age of the Sun in the Silmarillion, and that Darkness is like Sauron and the father of Darkness is like Morgoth.

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