Steven is heroic, wise, not bad looking. He risk his life to rescue the girl... However no matter how fine he is, he is just so unsexy comparing to Martin.
That's so extremely stupid but I really would not want Steven to rescue me if I were a princess:]
Steven deserved to be killed by fire just for having the cheek to appear in a medieval movie with a 80s haircut.
"Halt mich fest ich werd verrückt"
"Steven deserved to be killed by fire just for having the cheek to appear in a medieval movie with a 80s haircut."
LOL you said it. Why didn't either the hair & makeup or costume people notice it? I couldn't stop staring at it, it was so wrong. And ugly.
Steven had a "modern" haircut to signify that he had a "modernistic" persona. It was not, however, very beyond the realm of plausibility the way a Mohawk or Jheri-Curled Mullet would have been.
shareSteven is a wimp. Martin is a real man.
(His character is the only reason why I keep watching this movie).
I agree. Martin is my favorite character in this film. The only other "main" male character that I really liked was Hawkwood, and that was because he was pretty badass like Martin.
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Steven's continuing on to live is what killed this movie in the end. Steven was just a pompous, pansy little bitch with a bad 80's haircut. I wanted him to die so badly at the end, yet he never did...
shareMartin was a very interesting character. A bad guy you could root for.
bushtony and his mother suffer from Congential Stupidtiy and they didn't see it coming.
I didn't think Martin was a bad guy, but he certainly wasn't the best person in the film. I mean the same could be said about Steven because he did
*Spoilers*
infect that kid with the plague just to get a woman who loved others at her own convenience.
Seriously guys? A bad guy you could root for? Do you guys support rapists or something? Him and his whole gang were scumbags. I'm glad his gang died.
shareThank you! I was thinking the same thing as I was reading the other posters... I didn't much care for Steven (LOL @ all the comments about his hair, it was pretty bad!), but he was better than a rapist.
Hawkwood was prob the best one. A good guy that's still pretty badass ;-)
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I think I'd side with a rapist over someone who spreads f^cking plague, especially to a child. The Middle Ages sucked, and rape probably wasn't taboo considering all the other crap that happened.
shareThey were holding him prisoner and were about to kill him, I guess in your situation you would have let that happen and done nothing about it. Sucks the kid had to go, but he was an active member of the group who enjoyed the spoils and thus had to face the consequences for his actions.
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How unaware can you be? These mercenaries were hired by Stevens father to commit these exact atrocities. Then betrayed. Again everyone misses the point. Martin as leader of the mercs or Steven/his dad as leader of the nobility are no better then the other. Neither is right.
The only moral grounding you have is Hawkard. Who realized the evils of war after the mercs were betrayed by the nobility so he quit to go farm. As all soldiers of war/fortune should and must do. Quit and go farm. No soldiers to manipulate =no wars to fight. This is then shown blatantly by the "noble" son Steven desecrating his new garden and manipulating him back into war by coercion and threat of force and destruction of private property/food supply.
Excellent post, Peen. Hawk wood was the "man" here. I also thought the two gay soldiers were great characters. Those two and Hawk Wood were the most likable characters, and the mother of the boy. I liked all of the characters a bit, though. They all had some good, except for the tyrant. I see his point of view in betraying the mercenaries so innocent people aren't robbed, and we don't think of that because we don't see the innocent people being hurt. Still, everything he does seems to be to hurt other people, and I don't think you can be inadvertently that evil by accident.
I disagree with Tex below on wanting Martin to get the heroine for only one reason. I thought she was plain and homely, and Martin could do much better. She was the plainest looking woman in the movie, and I thought that was one of the points, that her "blue blood" washed down the better traits that the common people had.
But I'd like to see Martin get the truly gorgeous hot girl, though. The one who repented with the cardinal near the end. Martin was cool. And I think overall, he was a better person than Steve. Steve was willing to spread the plague, and knowingly in his scholastic wisdom, which made his actions even worse. Would Martin have done this? Maybe, if it was his only escape. I don't know. They were identified by the heroine as being alike.
One of my favorite films, in my top 20 all time film list.
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I hoped Agnes would end up with Martin. I hated Steven as well...
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Martin was definitely a more complex, interesting character. And of course, since he was played by Rutger Hauer, a helluva lot sexier than the other guy. I can't believe anyone would choose that milquetoast over someone like Martin.
shareI no huh?! Silly, silly little agnes! To chose the man who saved her life over the one who raped her, threatened to kill her, then tried to strangle her to death. What was she thinking! She gives women a bad name. Shes a stupid twat and so r all the women who have restraining orders against men that have abused and choked them! All that dam court time and paper wasted over such nonsense! Stupid women. I mean whats a little attempted murder between lovers! SMDH ~~~~~~~~ April151CT
shareYes much better then to go with the one your parents sold you to?
Human slavery is more acceptable then rape and plunder and murder?
All is despicable.
So, an arrange marriage to a nobleman is certainly better than living with rapists.
shareUm, yeah. Otherwise would she pull that whole mandrake stunt? Plenty of medieval arranged marriages were loveless: ie. being all about landgrabs, but Agnes wanted love & sex. She got sex (and passion-NOT love) from Martin and got love from Steven. She could teach him about sex later using what tricks she learned from this adventure.
As to the poster who took Steven to task for intentionally poisoning a child:
1. The kid was no saint (pardon the pun). He was drumming music along to Agnes's rape so he too was an accomplice.
2. His goal was to take them all out yet he DID give the final call to Agnes. She chose not to warn them (she could've invented some tale to scare the kid from drinking the water or "accidentally" make him spill it, yet she chose only to save Martin.
What I don't get is why, despite being in the well, Martin was able to survive the plague and why Agnes didn't narc on him when she spied him escaping. Basically, this movie is about Agnes getting her cake & eating it too.
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I like them both I would just date them the same time or make a 3some. Both men are noble in their own right. One is on the wrong side of the tracks while the good guy was born with a sliver spoon in his mouth
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