Demons: 25th Anniversary blu-ray edition

Then there is no way in HELL that I am buying the movie if it has a different dubbing track to the UK version on DVD. I bought Jackie Chan's Armour of God on DVD a while back after having the VHS copy lost somewhere. And the DVD is appauling so it is. It uses the US dubbing track for the movie and not the UK track. The dialogue is different in places through this and the music is slightly changed too. I have never watched that movie since on DVD. It's ruined now.

So Arrow you just lost yourself two sales for both Demons movies on Blu Ray. Well done!. I think I'll stick to the copies on DVD that I have already. Yet another reason NOT to buy Blu Ray. Like we don't have enough reasons already without clowns like Arrow adding to the ever growing list with their lazy antics.

"Fear is the key - to what you want to be."

http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/224975-post126.html

A little note from Arrow re: the sound:

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We tried to synch all the audio tracks available to us – Stereo, mono, US alt dub mix as provided by a CL member and only the mono would synch. The other tracks sadly were drifting far too much, to the point that even the Italian post synch dubbing was not acceptable. However the mono tracks we have sound impressive and we think the fans will be pleased.

So there you go. Arrow have chosen the mono because it's the best quality one for their release after extensive testing.


So, they couldn`t include the Dolby Stereo track because it wouldn`t synch properly. Too bad.

I might be over exaggeratiing here about the use of the US dubbing on the UK version. All I would like to know, so as to know if I am over exaggerating, is that the dialogue how different is it. I read the white haired druggie chick in the car has a different voice and dialogue for her. That doesn't matter as she only has a small role in the movie. But are all other characters the same in their dialogue. If so then it wont be that bad. In the Jackie Chan movie I mentioned above it annoyed me how they worded certain scenes differently. It turned out to be the same things they were on about (not different things) but it was all worded different. That got on my pecs.

Question about the Arrow DVD versions of these two movies.

Do the DVD versions have the same US track on the UK versions that the Blu Ray have?. I know Arrow are re-releasing them on DVD as well. I have the Platinum release versions of both movies. Those DICKS *beep* the transfer for Demons 2. In it where Hannah gets attacked in her apartment by the little gremlin creature the whole screen looks *beep* there. It looks like a VHS tape that's been chewed and the lines are all over the screen. It doesn't last long but it happens. AND it happens in the single case (one movie per case) versions. And also in the double feature boxset for both movies. Yes I own all versions. I was desperate to find a decent transfer for Demons 2 that's how I own both the single dvd and boxset versions.

"Hate, regression, lies, exist no longer. As earth becomes the epitaph of Cain."

The Arrow DVDs will have the Mono tracks. I have only watched the films with the 5.1 remixes. Look at this thread:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089013/board/nest/54945605

Well if the DVD versions have the UK audio then I will go for them instead at the start. And then get the Blu Ray versions when they come down in price. I don't own many BR movies. Less than seven I have. But these two movies would have made it nine. It annoys me to hear completely different dialogue for a dubbed movie if I've watched one version like 12 trillion times already. I know all the dialogue of the UK Demons and Demons 2 so hearing it being said in a differently worded scripted dubbing session would irritate me a little. Thanks for the info pal :).

"Hate, regression, lies, exist no longer. As earth becomes the epitaph of Cain."

I believe you misunderstood me. The Arrow DVDs that they will release at the same time will have the same US dub in Mono sound like the Blu-ray editions.
http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/225176-post135.html

More information the sound:


Spoke to Arrow about this earlier (seriously, I'm sure they're getting sick of me) and they had been reading the comments on here since I posted yesterday. Here's what they had to say:

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Indeed, synching dialogue is ‘easy’ (within reason obviously) but as our version of Demons is from the original camera negative is does contains a few seconds which prevented audio from other sources, which all derive from versions released through the years without those seconds which has prevented the audio from synching. The result would have meant audio holes and points where the audio wavers, way past the standards of Italian post-synch dubbing.

We could not, unfortunately, restore the original magnetic track because of budget constraints which only stretched to restoring picture. This was a huge undertaking for us – one we normally wouldn’t do. Like most distributors we depend on licensors and producers to do their own remastering which we buy into at a fraction of the cost since it is shared over the world. Going back to the negative is very expensive, especially, for an independent label. As such, we sadly couldn't stretch to adding in the very expensive audio costs.

Had we known this from the start that we wouldn’t be able to get our existing stereo track to synch, we would have had a re-think about our options but then hindsight is always 20/20!.


Hope this clears up the idea that anything 'fishy' is going on. Nothing suspicious, no conspiracies and Arrow haven't been ripped off. It's just the way it goes sometimes when dealing with these licensors.

Looks like I am doomed to remain with the Platinum releases of both movies then. I dislike Platinums *beep* up of Demons 2's transfer. I think I mentioned why in an above post. I am just going to stick with what I know and that's the UK dubbing of the two movies. Change this far on (after all these years) isn't a good thing. Maybe if I'd not watched these movies as often with the UK dubbing then I'd be ok with this change to the Arrow releases. I am not keen on completely different dialogue. One or two scenes would have been ok. But not a full on change.

The choice has been made as to what to do for Arrows Demon movies. It's heart breaking to have to ignore the Blu Ray releases of two of my favourite horror movies. Even though I have a no buying Blu Ray rule. It would be broken for those two movies (and a couple of other horrors as well). I am all for supporting of the independent labels and that but sorry Arrow. Not this time. Not just now anyway. It's crazy to pay between £15 to £18 per movie anyway. That's why the purchase had better be worth it. It's not in this case. Taking the cheaper road isn't always the better route when preparing DVDs and Blu Rays for release.

I guess they don't care to retain their potential sales figures otherwise it would be done properly. Money has to be spent so as it can be made. I am tired of everything evolving around the US (dubbing tracks that are chosen) the sheer volume of video games that have American themes to them or elements in them. Movies that are made in the UK that have Americans in them so as they will be better recieved in the US etc etc. Enough with it already. Resentment doesn't come from nowhere. It comes from being bombarded from every angle with the same theme... the American way!.

No offense to any Americans reading this. They can take offense if they like. But it's not meant to be so. It's just the situation being told for what it truly is is all.

Thanks again for the info, my friend. But it's a no sale and that's the final word from me on this matter.

"Hate, regression, lies, exist no longer. As earth becomes the epitaph of Cain."

I understand what you say. It`s pity they could`t synch the Dolby Stereo track properly. I still have both on pre-order and will not cancel it despite the lack of the Dolby Stereo track.

I am just so happy to get to so them in HD quality. I would have preferred to watch them with the Dolby Stereo or 5.1 track, but i may buy them again if it was released in another country with the Dolby Stereo or 5.1 track.

That's an option wait to see if it gets released in europe somewhere (but it has to be region 2 or region free) and get it then if it's got the original UK dubbing score. Good idea that.

"Hate, regression, lies, exist no longer. As earth becomes the epitaph of Cain."

demons 1 & 2 blu rays confirmed as region B only so will only work for those players

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Just as we thought it would have, it is now officially confirmed to have the US dub by one of the moderators of the forum who have watched the Blu-ray:

http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/236964-post305.html

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Originally Posted by LoBo
The United States release features a mono sound mix. But It also features additional sound effects, such as the demon growl and slicing sound when the title "Demons" appears.

Just had a look at the beginning of Demons, and judging by the sound when the title appears, it's definitely the US dub.

Just as I feared it would have. Oh well. Thanks to the lazy antics of those who are producing these discs I am left with my average Platinum release versions of both Demon movies. If they can't be bothered to make an effort to port the UK track to the Blu Ray then why should I make the effort to *beep* pay £16 or more per movie on Blu Ray. Nah!. Make the effort and I'll buy it. Otherwise forget it as it's a lost cause. No excuses about expenses being the issue!. Those releasing these movies will charge the same *beep* prices for these movies regardless of effort made to port them to Blu Ray. And in that fact... I want my money's worth or it's a no sale. Even if I have to wait years to come to get a proper version of these two movies I will. I am not buying a US dubbing tracked movie in the UK when the *beep* UK dubbing track is sitting there doing *beep* all!. Those that are bringing these two movies out suffer from Lazybastarditis. And their excuse is "it's too expensive to port the UK dubbing track" yeah I bet it is. The disc should have both US and UK dubbing tracks on it so we can choose which ones we want to watch the movies with!. Why would people part with cash for half arsed efforts is beyond me.

"Whatever it is. It makes the dead get up and walk."

Someone who has watched it with both dubs says that the only characters that have different voices in the US dub are the older couple in the cinema, the punks in the car and the police outside. I can live with that. I don`t even remember their voices or dialog in the Euro dub.

Also a good review: http://wtf-film.com/site/2012/05/06/a-demonic-lamberto-bava-double-fea ture/comment-page-1/#comment-222083

If that is truly all that has changed then I can live with that. George, Cheryl, and the rest need to be the same voice actors and dialogue as the UK version. Sounds like a sale might be on the horizon from me after all.

"Hell and glory. Honor and pride. A gun will decide where the outlaws ride."

Good for you. Then you can also enjoy this in HD with lossless audio. Despite having the English dub in Dual Mono, people who have watched like for example the review i posted says it sounds punchy, loud and clear.

I'll go for the two single editions though. Not the metal boxset. Its all about cost for me pal.

See in the second movie. In the scene where Hannah gets attacked in the sitting room by the little Gremlin creature. Does the picture go all *beep* up there at all. I mean from the second the monster gets in the door to the second it gets killed. The reason I ask is because Platinum Releases version of the movie has lines over the screen a couple of times in that scene. Think VHS when lines come over the screen because of a damaged tape. And that happens in both Platinum Releases single editions of each movie. And also their boxset of the two movies as well (which has a third disc with an interview on it).

The prices asked for both Demons movies is a bit too much. Be it in Dollar or Pound.

"Hell and glory. Honor and pride. A gun will decide where the outlaws ride."

Ok, i haven't actually watched them yet. I will also buy the 2 single limited editions that comes out in 10 days.

I pre-ordered both last year and i bought them for £ 11.97 each (shipping included). I do think that is pretty good price for 2 completly new Blu-ray editions. Looking at this site: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Demons-and-Demons-2-Blu-ray/39804/ at the price history, i see the Steelbook could have been bought for £ 16.99 last month. I wasn't interested in the Steelbook, so i didn't buy it.

Know what makes me love Demons as much as I do?. The way it ends. It's a perfect ending for the movie so it is. None of this alpha female final girl cliche crap that Hollywood is ever so keen on churning out when making horror movies. George heading off into the horizon with those who rescued him in the jeep. His fate? unknown. It looks like the Demons have taken over and it will be a fight for survival from that point on. It's the not knowing George's fate that also makes the ending kick ass. If this was Hollywood the bastards would spoon feed the viewer the outcome of George's fate. Ruin the mystery. *beep* Hollywood.

When you do watch both movies. Could you come back here and let me know about that scene involving Hannah and the gremlin creature? thanks pal :). I liked also how Demons 2 ended. It was a tense ride from start to finish just like the original Demons movie. Those Demons are freaky looking. And this is why I prefer practical effects over CGI. Making them CGI (in todays setting) would be crap and extremely unrealistic. Practical effects have a more realistic look to them I think. That's why the Demons in both movies are so kick ass looking. Anyone familiar with Night of the Demons (both the 80s version and the remake). They will know how *beep* CGI is then. The demons in the remake are not freaky, eerie, or anything similar. This is because they created them using CGI and crappy makeup. The original (the 80s version) had practical makeup and effects and this made them more believeable.

"Hell and glory. Honor and pride. A gun will decide where the outlaws ride."

I agree with everything you said. When i get it at the end of the month, i`m afraid i won't watch them for a while. I have a lot of other films to catch up with, but i can ask on the Cult-Labs forum for that scene in Demons 2 and post the answer here.

Yeah that will do just as well my friend. Sure. Thanks in advance for asking when you get the time to do so. I put it down to a bad transfer because the VHS version I had was perfect. It never had those lines all over the screen. Just that Plantinum Releases version (both the single disc version and the boxset version). It will be a weight off my mind when I find out the answer sir.

Thanks.

"I want to kill everyone. Satan is good. Satan is our pal."

Ok, i got an answer:

http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/241299-post31.html

"Yes. There's a note at the start of the film that this fault appears in the original master negative, and as such, was not something that could be repaired or rectified, even with today's digital technology. The only solution was to leave the errors in, or edit the film. Arrow wisely decided to leave the errors in.

These arrows appear in all version of DEMONS 2, so it's not as if this is something that Arrow can be held responsible for. It's a fault with the original camera negative, so all prints have the same fault apparent in them."

I don't remember seeing that in the VHS version and I've watched the VHS version quite a few times. I seriously don't remember seeing it in the VHS version before. So if these lines are in this Blu Ray version then I will be waiting on the price taking a drastic drop first before purchasing it. Something like £7 or £8 for the second movie and not a penny more!. If the VHS version can have the movie without it so can todays formats. I don't think it was a wise move for Arrow to leave such a massive fault in the movie. With careful editing it could have been avoided and I'd rather have a movie with a second or two edited out than a movie with lines all over the screen. The VHS version managed it. Imagine VHS out shining Blu Ray LMFAO!.

Thanks very much, my friend. This info has been most helpful indeed.



"I want to kill everyone. Satan is good. Satan is our pal."

That note he talks about is something Arrow Video added. Just so you know, the Steelbook edition and the singel editions (slipcases) are limited editions, so i wouldn't be suprised if they sell out this year.

I am in no hurry now, my friend. I will get them at some point in time I just don't know when. But I will get them. I was all interested for a few moments there when you told me the above (a post or two above this). Not now though. I am not interested too much in comics so the Demons 3 comic doesn't excite me. I know that even though it's a comic it is not the offical sequel to Demons 2. It is infact an unofficial sequel to Demons 2. Bobby Rhodes (Tony the Pimp) and co are apparently cruising round looking for a distributor for Demons 3 just now. The proper Demons 3 movie that is. It's not a remake so they might have a hard time finding a distributor for the movie. If it was a remake it would be snapped up in seconds. That's how CRAP movieland is these days. Sons of a shower of bastards is all Hollywood and those who idolise it are. Thanks for responding though, my friend. Cheers.

"I want to kill everyone. Satan is good. Satan is our pal."

When it comes to movies I love the mere thought of change to them angers me. I love them for what they are and changing things I love is not a good way to get me on ones side. But thankfully the Blu Ray versions of these two Demons movies were worthwhile purchases in the end. I've ordered them both with next day delivery for a couple of extra £ added to the price tag. It will be worth it though. I am glad I got the chance to see them from someone before buying them to see if my fears were confirmed. There is very little to fear from the transfers of both movies. Believe me when I say that as I was one of the strongest objectors to the changes being made (if any were made).

I give two thumbs up to the Blu Ray releases of both Demons movies. Even if the extras were a little lame the movies themselves were kick arse as usual. ROCK ON!. Well done Arrow - not great one the extras but the movies themselves were spot on.

Mary: "You've a face like a pair of tits!"
John: "Well at least that's one pair between us"

Good that you enjoyed them.