Justin deserved to die


Not because he was an evil ass, but because he's a moron. He's supposed to be a colonel and in charge of a militia, but he has no sense whatsoever. When Orry comes to reclaim Madeline, Orry attacks two members of the militia. Justin sees this from the window. he has plenty of time to get a weapon while the crippled Orry makes his way to the house and inside. Justin has time to get a weapon and he gets... a fireplace poker! Sword? Revolver? Rifle? Nope. Fireplace poker is his weapon of choice. Then he falls out his own window to his death. Darwin's theory of natural selection works here. It's a good thing GHB hadn't been invented yet. Justin's only way of keeping a woman was to keep her drugged up. Even on drugs, he couldn't keep her. That's pretty pathetic.

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I think his death is somewhat different in the book but I can't remember.

If he wouldn't have been so awful to her, I think Madeline could have liked him. I didn't understand why he would be abusive to his young, beautiful wife. It started right away. It was like the Lamottes were just born evil.....I don't recall any explanation for their behavior.

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I think you're right about him being born evil. There wasn't one good thing about him. Few characters are ever written to be that clearly evil or bad.

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That's one thing I'm not too crazy about in the N&S series. Either characters seem to be born bad or good, or there is little to no explanation given for why they are the way they are.

I don't know what to think about that.

Then again, without knowing any background info on some people, it's hard to say. We don't know what went on behind closed doors when they were little.

Ashton seems to have been born bad, we do know the Main family for the most part was good and she wasn't abused or anything like that.

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I think that's the problem with adapting books to a mini-series. You have a whole lot of story to tell and not a whole lot of time to tell it, so you have to take a few short-cuts along the way.

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That's true, but even in the books, it's sort of that way. Like they talk about how Bent was teased a bit I think about his weight (in the book he's overweight), so you can get some inkling between that and his weird family situation why he's crazy, but, most characters, such as the LaMottes, no explanation is given.

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I think we have to blame it on what you've said in other threads, that it seems like John Jakes favored the Mains (except for maybe Ashton, but it seems like even she redeemed herself in the end), so he just made the LaMottes more or less rotten to make them look good in comparison. Nevertheless though, there probably were quite a few ***hole husbands like Justin back then, who felt a need to practically torture their wives to show them who was the boss. Even today, many women are abused by the man in their life. And if these people had existed in real life, they would have lived more than 150 years ago, when a wife legally was her husband's property.

But maybe it could also be so, that some kind of mental illness ran in the LaMotte family? Because when you look at what Justin does, he does a lot of illogical things. Like when he whipped Madeline for accidentally catching him having sex with a slave? Of course, it seems like he thought that she had "spied on him" (or at least that's what he accused her of). But does that really sound like a sane man to you? Not to mention that he killed Maum Sally, because she was brave enough to stand up against his bull****, and he almost starved Madeline and had her drugged against her will for several years. Even for an abusive husband and slave owner, that was a new low...

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Yes, I assume there probably was supposed to be some kind of mental illness in the family. We're never given an explanation for their motives, so it would seem they were born sociopaths. This is true of most of Jakes' villains, at least in this book series. There are no explanations given for why they behave the way they do.

I don't know if Justin's behavior would be classified as sociopath or psycopath though.

And as someone once said in regards to an anime character villain we were discussing, it's hard to say what they deserve or don't deserve when you have little to no background information on what triggered their behavior. Not that having a bad childhood or whatever is an excuse, but it does at least give you some explanation of what happened.

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Yes, I assume there probably was supposed to be some kind of mental illness in the family. We're never given an explanation for their motives, so it would seem they were born sociopaths. This is true of most of Jakes' villains, at least in this book series. There are no explanations given for why they behave the way they do.

I don't know if Justin's behavior would be classified as sociopath or psycopath though.

And as someone once said in regards to an anime character villain we were discussing, it's hard to say what they deserve or don't deserve when you have little to no background information on what triggered their behavior. Not that having a bad childhood or whatever is an excuse, but it does at least give you some explanation of what happened.

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I did love when Justin died or when Madeline cut up one side of his face with a sword. both great times😀


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