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Which cut is better? - 229 min or 251 min?


An extra 20 minutes doesn't seem like it would be a big deal.

Did the 251 version include any major new scenes that impact the story in any way?
What do you guys think, did you like the new extended cut or do you still prefer the original 229 minute cut?

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I like the additional scenes but for me the yellowish tint of the extended version ruins it.

So at present I go for the 229 min cut, which ideally in the future should be updated with the 4K scan.

If the unreleased 19 minutes can be reinserted into the the extended version and the color sorted out, I'd then go for the longer version.

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Every second added turns this movie into something more.

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I agree. I have only seen the 251 minute cut and it's phenomenal!! The special features explains some of the parts that were added - like how Noodles met Eve.

This is a very special movie!!

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Does the yellow tint look that way on blu ray or regular dvd? Also, is the special feature on both blu ray discs the same 19 minute excerpt documentary? If that's the case, I'm keeping my 229 minute blu ray copy.

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Either cut drags horribly
I'd rather watch paint dry instead imo

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If you liked the 229 min. experience, the 251/269 min. cut enhances many performance subtleties.

The added scenes do stand out, they are color/quality mismatched to the rest of the film, yet they don't "break" the narrative IMO.

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Do the longer versions show more of the 1920s period when they were kids?

"A real man would rather bow down to a strong woman than dominate a weak one"

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Do the longer versions show more of the 1920s period when they were kids?


Regrettably the longer versions don't show more of the 1920s period.

Brief summary of the additional scenes:

1) Noodles and the director of the cemetery (1968)

2) Immediately after Noodles drives a car into water - anxiety of his friends when they do not see Noodles resurface (1931) followed by exploding car outside Bailey's mansion (1968)

3) Arnon Milchan in the role of chauffeur (1932)

4) Paid for love scene between Noodles and Eve followed by Deborah sitting at a restaurant adjoining the railway station (1932)

5) Deborah (Elizabeth McGovern) playing Cleopatra (1968)

6) Secretary Bailey's discussion with Jimmy in his private study (1968)


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Too bad. That's the part of the movie I never want to end.lol What you described sounds very interesting though.

"A real man would rather bow down to a strong woman than dominate a weak one"

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I can see why every one of the deleted scenes was initially cut. And it's a shame because I'd been looking forward to finally seeing them since I first watched the film!
Lb2121 summarises them nicely above.
(1) Going immediately from the key in the tomb to their old locker is brilliant, and the extended version takes this away
(2) One of the best things about the film for me is the creative way in which they cut between the past/present/future scenes. The car landing in the water being immediately followed by TV footage of the exploded car being hosed down just works a lot better (in my opinion) that what they show in the extended version. Plus Noodles already being at the Bailey mansion in the daytime just takes a lot of mystique away from him finally going there at the end
(3) The driver being so appalled by Noodles' behaviour that he stops the car and refuses his money is powerful enough. In fact, knowing that the driver already has some animosity towards Noodles kinda takes the edge off it.
(4) I mentioned this in a thread about Eve, the scene just takes all the momentum out of Deborah's departure
(5) Cutting straight from the picture of Deborah in the Bailey Foundation to her in the dressing room removing her make up just works better (again, my opinion), and I also feel her "terrific" performance as Cleopatra was better left to the audience's imagination
(6) I like the fact that Max/Bailey's involvement with the unions and their wish for him to disappear is only implied in the 229 min version. In the 251 min, it's spelled out for the audience and seeing Max/Bailey actually interacting with someone else from their past (think there's a bit when Treat Williams even says something like "i've known you for 35 years") just takes away any possible illusion that Max & Bailey could be different people, something Noodles chooses to go with when he leaves.

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tldr - the extra scenes take the momentum out of the story or take away the transition scenes which I felt worked better in the 229 minute version
And that's not taking anything away from these scenes, which are still great. I think what they did is known in the biz as "cutting muscle"

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