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Redford miscast for lead role?


I didn't think he was compelling as a baseball player. I never bought him in the role.

At the time, does anyone know who else was considered for the part?

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He was too old. Almost fifty at the time.

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36 year olds looked more like today's 48 year olds back in 1905, haha.

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Um, the movie was set in 1939. Just missed it by three and a half decades. But don't let facts get in the way of your comments.

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Wow, are you a dlck.

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I remember on his radio show, Bob Costas interviewed Barry Levinson about The Natural. Costas did ask Levinson if Robert Redford, being that he was in his mid-to-late 40s at the time (even though the the Roy Hobbs story is mostly about "lost youth") was perhaps "too old" to plausibly play a Major Leaguer. If I remember correctly, Levinson was aware of that (I don't find a 40 something year old man being able to play baseball at a high level still, that far fetched, since Nolan Ryan was able to do that in real life) but he theorized that most ballplayers from that era looked more "mature" anyway because of always playing under the sun (and presumably, not being as well conditioned as modern players).

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He was ridiculous in the role. Far too old.

It's one thing to suspend disbelief to an extent, but this was ludicrous.

I guess it's like looking at clouds. You see one thing and I see another. Peace.

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I imagine he was cast because he played went college on a baseball scholarship. Colorado U.

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He was cast, because he was Robert Frickin Redford...and at the time, he picked what movies he wanted to be the star of, oftentimes producing and/or directing them as well. A modern-day equivalent would be Tom Cruise.

While I agree with the other posters that he was pretty much too old at this point, even to play an aging ballplayer, it is also kinda hard to think of anyone else in that role.

The beginning of the movie in particular when he and Glenn Close were supposed to be teenagers, they used ample shadowing and frosty camera lenses, and it was still pretty laughable.

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I'm not so sure he was miscast for the role, he looked young enough to play an aging ballplayer and he definitely has a sweet swing..this adds a lot to the movie if you ask me. However, he's just too wooden of an actor to bring enough excitement to the role.

I'd say half of the movie with Redford is good enough, the other half is pretty much a borefest. In the end its the iconic scenes that carry the movie just enough to give it a noice thumbs up. Heck, his first at bat in the majors is reason enough to see this movie!

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he looked young enough ? wow, I mean,I've met 60year olds who look that ''young''. In high-definition photos and blu-ray films from Redford films of the late 70s-early 80s where he was in his early-mid 40s,and in this film he is 46-47, those films and photos reveal the depth and length of his wrinkles around the eyes,on the forehead,around mouth,as well as his flabby skin(which is normal for men in their 40s) in this film.

I've met 60+year olds who look that old,and lots of 47year olds who look much younger than Redford did here. He is a handsome dude,but certainly always looked older than his age up into his 50s,at which point he slowed down aging,but in his early 60s started having face and eyelifts and plastic surgery and toupees,so films he filmed in the 21st century can't really be taken with the same notion anyway.

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I remember when this came out on bluray back in 1986, slapped it in my player and watched it on my 1080p 50" flat screen and I couldn't believe how old he looked!!!

People aged much quicker back in the 30s. My grandmother died in '64 at the age of 65, I look at her pictures and she looks like she was in her late 70s/early80s.

Robert Redford is only two years younger than Wilfred Brimley.

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I'll take Redford over Cruise any day.

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I thought he was fine as a baseball player, especially a mythic baseball player, but he was indeed miscast. Roy Hobbs, as written in the book, is supposed to be a bit dim. He's a simplistic character, much like other mythic characters. Redford can't play dumb. He's smart and always appears smart.

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I'm going to comment on Redford's casting, but first I need to go on a bit of a detour.

I'm no sports fan, but this is probably my favorite movie of all time, which is saying a lot.

I had never read the book when I saw the movie, but heard that the book was much darker, and the Hobbs character more morally ambiguous. Because I loved this movie so much, I actively avoided reading the book, afraid that it would ruin the movie for me.

In 1996, I was visiting my mom. In my late step-father's bookcase was a paperback copy of "The Natural". Being a bedtime reader and not having brought a book with me, the temptation was too much. I read it.

And what I came away with was a greater appreciation for just how good a job was done adapting the book to film, but not because the movie was true to the book. On the contrary.

I found the book to be so-so. The characters were too ‘grey’ for my taste; their motivations were forced in service to the story or unclear. The film adaptation snapped all those characters (some of whom were combined, eliminated, or wholly new) into much sharper focus. All the best dialog in the movie, frankly, was lifted out of the book, though sometimes put into different contexts or different characters’ mouths; again, part of the genius of the adaptation.

This is one of the rare cases (imho) where the film adaptation is actually far superior to the book. But to get to the question of casting a ‘smart’ Redford as the ‘dim’ Hobbs in the book… I think that was part of the genius of the adaptation, and part of what makes the movie a better story (as Max Mercy might say). The characters’ motivations and natures are all sharper and more understandable in the film. And part of that adaptation was making the characters smarter.

PS: I concur that expecting Redford to play the teenage Hobbs is asking a bit much of the viewer, but he did act some great baseball.

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PS: I concur that expecting Redford to play the teenage Hobbs is asking a bit much of the viewer, but he did act some great baseball.
It helps that he had the head of hair of a 14 year old……I think it works well enough. I'm sure they used makeup and soft lighting, I don't believe they ever really shot close-ups of him in these scenes. Better than the alternative of shooting with another actor.

In response to the thread, I find it a little amusing - questioning the casting choice of a bonafide classic baseball movie.

Redford was almost 48 when the film was released, so he was probably 46-47 during filming. So because he doesn't look 35, he was miscast? I would think his screen presence, charisma, charm, and chemistry in the role would be more important. He was supposed to be an aging ball player. Redford was still a handsome guy in this and looked good. He still looks like he can play baseball and hit home runs. He certainly doesn't look old/bad enough that I have ever really even thought about it.

Can't imagine another actor playing Roy Hobbs. Plain and simple.

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He was way more miscast in The Great Gatsby.

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In a word NO he wasn't. Parts don't require exactitude. Now would it make sense to give Bieber the lead in the Babe Ruth story...no it would not.
Redford was fine. The most important thing was a sweet swing not his skin or eyelids or whatever superficial characteristic one could cite. If he couldn't be fairly believable with his Roy Hobbs ability to hit than all would be lost.

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The main reason anyone would question the viability of casting Redford is because the movie clearly states his stint with the Knights begins "16 Years Later". Roy Hobbs was just out of high school when he leaves for a tryout with the Cubs. That would make him around 18. 18 + 16 = 34.

Redford is so obviously older than that, that you find yourself asking "Couldn't they have found another star that looked the age better?".

Some actors with star power that could have been considered that were around 34-36 at the time: Jeff Bridges, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson, Richard Gere, Mark Harmon and Ted Danson. Some of whom were also athletes prior to acting.

That said, I think Redford did a masterful job playing the role and at the end of the day, you cannot ask much more than that.

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by Lancer01 » Mon Feb 11 2013 23:13:27 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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I didn't think he was compelling as a baseball player. I never bought him in the role.

At the time, does anyone know who else was considered for the part?

I thought he was perfect.

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