So I'm rewatching the movie after about 15 years since the last time I saw it in late high school. Viewing it again as an adult and with a more refined eye for film, I still enjoy it for its classic underdog tale and also for showing the tension between different classes of people, which I didn't pick up on in my youth. Very similar to Rocky, not surprisingly, since it was by the same director.
My only complaint about this movie, and somewhat with the entire trilogy, after seeing it again is that, unlike with Rocky, I was never convinced that Daniel got stronger, tougher or more focused. He was still a whiny, cynical and wimpy teenager after all that training from Miagi. After every point he got in the tournament he had this look on his face as if to say "Holy cow! I did that? Wow!" And he wins the tournament with a gimmick.
I get it, he's still by no means meant to be a seasoned fighter at that point. But he has no hunger, no focus or grit. Right up until the tournament he was saying how scared he was and preparing to get his ass kicked. By contrast, Rocky, although his opponents were always more physically intimidiating than him, had the Eye of the Tiger. After he gets through his daily struggles with life at home, Adrian and all that and trains with Mickey, he's focused and determined to win. Daniel's eyes are still like a Deer in the Headlights by the end of the movie. This aspect of Daniel even continued in parts II and III with only brief moments where he looks like his karate has gotten stronger and where he looks tougher.
But he has no hunger, no focus or grit. Right up until the tournament he was saying how scared he was and preparing to get his ass kicked. By contrast, Rocky, although his opponents were always more physically intimidiating than him, had the Eye of the Tiger. After he gets through his daily struggles with life at home, Adrian and all that and trains with Mickey, he's focused and determined to win.
Basically the same thing Rocky said in this scene, revealing his doubt. He said he had no chance against Apollo. But what made him go on is because he has nothing to lose, because everyone has already considered him a bum.
Right, Rocky was still scared, but his general feeling was, it don't matter, I'm doing it. I'm gonna show everyone I'm not just another bum from the neighborhood.
Granted, Daniel sort of says this when he asks Miagi to fix his leg, but I still got the general feeling that he was a wimp.
Another contrast I thought of between the two movies:
Rocky II: Apollo threatens Rocky: "You're goin' DOWN!" Rocky: "Nah. No way".
Karate Kid: Johnny pushes Daniel and says: "You're dead!" Daniel: *Deer in headlights* lol.
Yeah Daniel doesn't have the toughness of a Rocky, not yet anyway in the films. Rocky was what raised in the streets, while Daniel-san was raised by a single mom who coddled him. I don't think he ever had a male influence in his life until Mr. Miyagi. But given Daniel's young age in the movies, I'm sure there was still time for development. I'd like to think he has grown up to be a strong man in his 30's, not Balboa tough, but still strong. Karate can build self confidence.
Yeah because a teenager who lives with his mum and goes to school is going to be as tough as a professional boxer who works as a loan shark who grew up on the streets and has already had years of training and fight experience by th first movie whereas Daniel had done a couple months of karate.
You could say rocky turns into a wimp in rocky 2 and 3 as well because in the second movie he barely trains and doesn't want it for most of the movie until the last bit and in rocky 3 he gets knocked out in 2 rounds then can't be bothered to train and tells Adrian how scared he is
My one complaint is with the overall plot...NO WAY would an Italian kid from Newark, NJ be pushed around by a bunch of rich kids from the Hills !!! Total *beep* otherwise great movie !!!
I have to disagree. The continuity of this movie was within 1 year. Part 2 picked up right wear Part 1 left off. Maturity and experience takes time; years actually, so I guess that is why Daniel acted that way he did because he is just learning and the discipline of being a Karate Master takes years and years of physical and mental experience.
As someone who studied karate for more than a decade, what nycboy says is true. I made it to 3rd degree Black Belt in Shin Nagare Karate and 1St Degree Black Belt in Ju Jitsu. It takes time to even get a certain degree of confidence, experience(both mental and physical) and strength even sparring in class--let alone tournament fighting.
Daniel LaPusso is the main character but the story revolves around Mr. Miyagi. His story is that with good teaching, even the whiniest, cynical, wimp can benefit greatly from following his methods.
You're missing the point, especially by comparing to a completely different movie and character, not to mention story and message.
Rocky is a 'tough guy' with 'tough guy personality'. Rocky is also an adult. Rocky's motivation is completely different, he has sparred and fought a lot before the Apollo stuff even begins. Not so with Daniel, who only tries to survive.
This movie is not about whether someone is 'whiny' or 'tough'. It's about inner strength, that anyone can gain under proper teacher.
Daniel clearly thinks about the lessons he learns, and gains a lot of insight and inner strength throughout the movie. He is of course still afraid - after all, he has no choice but to go through it, and there's always the possiblity of being hurt, injured or dead.
But we have to remember, 'courageous is not he who isn't afraid, but he who is afraid, but still dares'. Daniel dared, so Daniel is actually brave and courageous.
It's a different story, different character, it's not about beating up the other guy, it's about survival so Daniel can live his life without being constantly bullied and beaten up every day. Completely different motivations and situations. These are a big group of bullies with bad Karate teacher that are threatening Daniel vs. a professional boxer throwing typical boxing insults to an adult boxer that's heard it all before and takes it as normal. Apollo is not threatening to bully Rocky and kill him outside the ring if he loses or whatnot. Rocky has nothing to fear outside the ring, Daniel does.
Rocky only has one opponent, Daniel has to prove himself in front of the whole group of bullies, any of which could easily kill him, and all of which hate him.
Rocky would suffer no consequences if he didn't go through with it, Daniel would be killed by a big gang of trained bullies. Rocky has it easy!
This movie is about a childish, restless teenager with chaotic mind learning deep, wise insights from a Zen master that manages to help him focus and calm his mind and leads him to a path of wisdom and deeper understanding of life, fight dynamics and humanity.
He learns to swim in the river of life instead of raging on the beach.
He actually starts experiencing a deeper way of life by focusing on cutting of the Bonsai trees according to his inner image - so he starts turning his attention and focus inside of him instead of externally, as he previously did. This kind of teaching is precious and this kind of experience is more valuable than all the gold in the world. You can't take gold with you when you depart this world, but this inner experience that cultivates and changes you, will benefit you forever.
Rocky is about an apelike bum 'being able to take punches from a champion and mumble 'Aaaadriaaaaannn'.
The Karate Kid is about Zen koans, inner lessons, insights, focusing of the mind, experiencing life-changing internal treasures that change the flow of your whole life, and inner strength beating external muscles.
It's a very symbolic movie, with lots of deep messages and wisdom laced within the externally 'silly' elements. Everything becomes clear when you look at it from the right perspective.
Comparing all this to Rocky is the wrong perspective. No wonder you're confused.