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Steve Martin's idiotic line


"30 years ago they never found any corpse."

The end of the 1954 film clearly shows the Godzilla being reduced to a skeleton. Don't you think somebody would have been sent down to confirm that Godzilla had been destroyed?

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Technically, there was no corpse to be found. Godzilla was completely disintegrated by the oxygen-destroyer. Even his skeleton eventually faded to nothing. I think the American version was trying to imply that Godzilla had somehow reformed, like the “spirit” variation of the story in Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack.

Still, the Godzilla of the Heisei series was a second Godzilla. There was even a plan to have Godzilla battle the ghost of the original Godzilla. However, this was after Mechagodzilla and Space Godzilla, so they didn’t want a third Godzilla versus ____ Godzilla film and instead went with Godzilla versus Destroyah.

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Going by the timeline in Godzilla versus King Ghidorah, the events of Godzilla versus Biollante would have never existed either. Yet, the man killed by Godzilla seeks vengeance in Godzilla versus Space Godzilla. Godzilla versus King Ghidorah is just one big damn plot hole.

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The one theory I can think of is that the monster from "Godzilla 1985" is a second Godzilla, not a resurrection of the original 1954 Godzilla. The original Godzilla was destroyed completely by the Oxygen Destroyer; it even showed his bones being dissolved by the weapon.

Therefore, just my opinion, the Godzillasaurus from "Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah" is the Godzilla from "Godzilla 1985." The H-bomb testing mutated the dinosaur into the second Godzilla. It slept all these years, and then it was awakened by the volcano in "Godzilla 1985." In "Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah," the Futurians teleported the Godzillasaurus (second Godzilla) away from the H-bomb test area into the Bering Sea, but the destruction of the Russian submarine in the 1970s in the Bering Sea mutated the Godzillasaurus into the second Godzilla. So, the only change that the Futurians did was that it made the second Godzilla larger and more powerful.

So, with this theory, it still makes the events in "Godzilla vs. Destoroyah" happen, for the Oxygen Destroyer was still used to destroy the original Godzilla (the Futurians teleported the dinosaur that eventually mutated into the second Godzilla, not the first Godzilla). This theory also keeps the events in all the other Heisei Godzilla movies intact.

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Yea, there were two Godzillasauruses of the same species just according to my opinion. It's kind of like the Showa series, where the original Godzilla was destroyed by the Oxygen Destroyer, and a second Godzilla (of the same species) appeared in "Godzilla Raids Again" and in the films that follow in the Showa era.

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Ollie's got it IMO. There were two Godzillasauruses. Dr.Yamane's explanation in the original movie explains the origin of the original Godzilla (I believe it was in some kind of ocean trench that was disturbed by nuclear bomb tests) while the one on Lagos became the Heisei Godzilla.

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There's another theory that the whole thing in King Ghidorah was actually a stable time loop:

They removed the Godzillasaurus from Lagos Island and teleported it to the Bering sea. In the 70s a Russian Sub sinks there and the radioactivity made it into Godzilla.

In effect, they actually ended up CREATING the 1984 Godzilla by teleporting it to the sea where it came into contact with the sub.

Thus history is unchanged because they actually MADE that history happen instead of averting it.

So when they send another sub to mutate him again (not realizing he still exists), all they do is make him stronger that the ANB that had neutralized him is now ineffective.

Meaning that the original Godzilla was never the Lagos Godzillasaurus. It was another Godzillasaurus mutated another way on the same Island, maybe by that H-Bomb test they mentioned as the origin in the first place.

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Cassandra's got it. That's exactly what happened according to the Japanese dialogue in "vs. King Ghidorah". The only thing the movie doesn't actually explain is where the first Godzilla came from.

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Yeah, but you can use the difference in appearance between the 50s Godzilla and the 80s Godzilla as a GOOD thing in this case. You can just use the explanation given in the first movie (an ancient monster awoken from deep underwater slumber by H-Bomb tests) or another Godzillasaurus on another island (or the same island) that was mutated into a similar creature.

The book writer commented that he thought an A-Bomb test on the island in the 50s is what made the Godzillasaurus into Godzilla, but if my Stable Time Loop theory is correct then he was right and wrong: There WAS another Godzillasaurus that got mutated by the A-Bomb test in the 50s on Lagos Island, it became the 50s Godzilla. They just went back and got rid of the wrong Godzillasaurus and didn't think to look for another one.

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"They just went back and got rid of the wrong Godzillasaurus and didn't think to look for another one."

They really wouldn't have had to get rid of the Gozillasarus that became the original Godzilla since the issue at the time was the Heisei Godzilla.

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Perhaps they couldn't make sure Godzilla had been killed by the oxygen destroyer.

Maybe Steve believes Godzilla had escaped.


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