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Godzilla 1985 is better than Return of Godzilla


Most of the fake looking shots of Godzilla are cut out and the sea louse is scarier :O that scene may be the reason I'm afraid of beetles/junebugs tbh. In ROG it's funny though because they show it way more and it sounds like the three headed dragon monster. Chidorah or something, I don't know. The sound effects are better too and the music from defcon 4 is uber creepy, much better suited to this movie. The only thing it's missing is the shot where Godzilla is reflected against the building during the train scene, I don't know why that was cut out. That's all folks!

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ROG has better acting and no Steve Martin though, I can't knock that.

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Have never seen RETURN OF GODZILLA, but once I found out it had an english dub, I've been trying to locate it. I do like that they got Raymond Burr back for GODZILLA 1985, though. I'd like to see a "third film" starring Steve's grandson as an adult.


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I've seen the Return version, it seemed a little more complex to me, but the print I had was in Japanese with no subtitles, so I probably missed quite a bit. But, I still managed to sit through the whole thing...

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Whats the difference??

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RETURN OF GODZILLA - The dubbing is a little less cartoonish (by the same squad of Australian dubbers who did most of the 70's Godzilla movies). Also a lot of scenes are extended or arranged differently. When Godzilla "dies", a crowd actually forms around him. The fight with the Super X is edited differently and is slower (but has a little more action in it). The musical score is very different (none of the Def Con IV music), there's no American scenes (duh) and the Russian guy famously dies trying to STOP the launch rather than pressing the button to launch right before he dies.

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I've seen both, but admittedly I've seen Godzilla 1985 many more times. I liked Godzilla 1985 better. Not so with the original 1954 film. The original Japanese version is much better and more in depth than the 1956 American re-edit. In the 80's version I like the Americanized version better. Not sure why, just do. More fun, and I like the American characters. The cold war stuff (borderline propaganda) I could have done without, but it was fun.

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ROG is the better version, EXCEPT for the Raymond Burr scenes and final scream of Godzilla.

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I've seen both versions, and I still vastly prefer the Japanese version. I appreciate the edits and cuts made by the American edit, like improving the pacing, removing poor effects shots, and improving many of the sound effects. Raymond Burr's performance as Steve Martin is actually pretty emotional and solid as well. His closing narration in the American edit is one of the best speeches in the entire Godzilla series.

That being said, the U.S. version has a lot of negative aspects that detract from it as far as I'm concerned. The scenes set in the Pentagon are over-the-top and far too parodic and comical for such a serious movie. It's almost as if the U.S. distributors were making fun of the film. Of course, Raymond Burr remains serious and gives credibility to these scenes, and they're not all bad, but they still contribute nothing to the greater plot aside from scenes featuring American actors to appeal to American audiences.

Godzilla 1985 also heavily downplays the entire Cold War and nuclear holocaust paranoia that made The Return of Godzilla so powerful. Godzilla 1985 demonizes the Russians and portrays the U.S. as a purely benevolent power that only does good things, while the Japanese cut portrayed both nations as at fault to an extent, but also both simply doing what they felt was right in order to protect their people. The best human scene in my opinion of The Return of Godzilla is the scene where the Prime Minister sits in his office and tells his two aides how he dissuaded the American and Soviet ambassadors from using nuclear weapons, by asking them if they'd be willing to use nuclear weapons if Godzilla showed up in Moscow or Washington. Yet, the U.S. version completely cuts out this entire scene.

I prefer The Return of Godzilla to Godzilla 1985, but I realize that the American edit fixed a lot of problems with the Japanese version and added a few positive things. Still, I think it suffered from being "Americanized" in a film that was meant to critique both sides of the Cold War and therefore lost a lot of its emotional and moral impact.

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This is a solid take on both films. Very well said.

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