BBC documentary


the BBC produced a documentary on the case entitled "False Witness", which i was lucky enough to tape one bitter wintry night in 1989. i have never found ANYTHING about it online. i have it, and i feel fortunate, but i wonder if anyone else has seen it, or might know how to get a clean copy. the sound on mine is God-awful.

i believe he is guilty, but not quite the bad guy McGinniss made him out to be. there simply is no exculpatory evidence save his word. the guys that put together the book *Fatal Justice* did their best, but not one thing they wrote proved that JM did not commit these murders. 40 years after the fact, it is my feeling that JM truly believes he did not commit the crimes. the online photos of the victims are brutal, which indicates to me that the victims knew their killer. Helena Stoeckley? - please.

all replies welcome.

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A fight occured between Jeff and Colette in the master bedroom the night of the murders. The fight got out of hand and as a result, Jeff murdered his whole family. Motive? Could be any number of things. Could be the result of an unhappy marriage, or perhaps continuous financial problems that put a burden on the marriage. Perhaps it was Jeff's need to get away from his family (case in point is his lie to Colette that he was going away to Russia with the Ft. Bragg Army boxing team and would not be around during the summer of 1970 for the birth of their 3rd child).If you choose to believe Joe McGuinness'(author of Fatal Vision) theory, then the murders were the result of Jeff taking too many amphetamine's. He and Colette got into an argument, it got out of hand, he was on amphetamine's and the combination of the fight and pills sent him into an uncontrollable rage. However, I recently discovered a new theory via a website that honors the memory of Colette, Kimberley, and Kristen Stevenson (www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com) The Stevenson family believes that Jeff was sexually molesting Kimberly, the eldest daughter. The urine stain on the master bedroom bedsheet was identified as coming from Kimberly, not Kristen. Thus, Jeff and Colette went to bed that night. Kim crawled into bed with her parents. Colette got up and slept on the couch (a request that was made by Jeff and this was on more than one occasion). A little while later Colette got up because she heard Kim saying "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy". She walks into the master bedroom to see Jeff molesting Kim. She grabs a wood club from the utility room adjoining the master bedroom and hits Jeff on the forehead. Kim sees the fight between her parents, panics and wets the bed. Kim gets out of bed and stands in the master bedroom doorway. Jeff grabbed the wood club from Colette at this point and starts hitting Colette.He also in the process accidentally hits Kim, who is standing behind him in the doorway. Kim dies instantly. This is just a theory and it is one that the Stevenson family strongly beleives. The evidence certainly supports this theory. The family also has reason to beleive it is true because of Colette's change in behavior in the few months leading up to the murders.

I learned of the Jeffrey MacDonald case after seeing the Fatal Vision movie telecast in 1984. I was only 14 years old at the time and because I lived in the town next to where Jeffrey and Collete were born and raised, I became obsessed in learning more about the case and who Jeffrey and Colette MacDonald were. I have researched this case for over 20 years and I can tell you that I have left no stone unturned. This man is guilty and for those that possibly believe he is innocent, he has you all fooled!
A former teacher of mine graduated with Jeff and Colette from Patchogue-Medford H.S. and he told me point blank that Jeff used to slap Colette around when they were dating in high school. Well, spousal abuse has a history and when Jeff and Colette fought in their bedroom in the early morning of Feb. 17, 1970, believe me it was not the first time!
As for the "hippies", Jeff conducted drug counseling with local hippies at a hospital in the Fort Bragg area from 1969-1970 to earn extra income. He knew who these "hippies" were and he knew they would present themselves as the perfect suspects for the murders. If you are going to accidentally kill your wife and kids (and I believe it was an accident with the exception of baby Kristen) you better come up with a believable story and that is exactly what Jeffrey MacDonald did! He handed these people over to the Army on a silver platter. He gave perfect descriptions of them because he knew who they were. He had encounters with them and could give perfect descriptions. The Army made a mess of this case and that is why it took 9 years to convict MacDonald. However, despite all the mistakes, there was still plenty of crucial evidence to convict Jeffrey MacDonald. It is much easier for a defense team to create a suspicion of doubt than it is for prosecutors to prove guilt. I could go on, but read the book, Fatal Vision. Jeff is in jail where he belongs and where he will rot to the day he dies! God Bless the justice system!

I have some websites that you may want to check out. Please know that I believe Jeffrey MacDonald to be 100% guilty. However, many of the websites that provide information on the case provide one point of view (Jeff's guilt) or another (Jeff's innocence). I have listed both types of websites. Perhaps you would like to review them all and come to your own conclusion. I have placed an asterick next to one website that I recommend, as it is relatively new and gives the testimonials of Bob Stevenson and the prosecuting attorneys, at the recent parole hearing of Jeffrey MacDonald that took place on May 10, 2005. I hope you find the websites useful. If you could share your opinion of them with me it would be appreciated. Thanks so much!
Websites to check out:
* www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com
www.themacdonaldcase.com
www.crimelibrary.com/macdonald.mac/macmain.htm
www.themacdonaldcase.org (This website is operated by the Jeffrey MacDonald Defense Team)

By the way, Jeff was only in ICU for approximately a few short hours after he was admitted to Womack Hospital. He was in ICU for observation for a punctured lung. The murders occured in the early morning hours (somewhere between 1:00 A.M. and 3:44 A.M) of Tuesday, February 17, 1970. By Tuesday night (from 7:00 P.M. on) Jeff was sitting up in his hospital bed talking with Ron Harrison, a close Army buddy. Seems to me that if he were in ICU for 9 days, as his incredibly naive new wife would be led to believe by her new narcissistic, pathologically lying husband, then he couldn't very well be sitting up in bed and his visitors would be limited to immediate family members only if he were in ICU. Read the book! Read the book! Read the book! He is guilty " are just a futile effort on his part to fool the general public into believing he is truly innocent. He is a sociopath, one who will lie at will to save his own hide. How sad that he has a new, very unintelligent new wife to join in his effort.

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Yes, I have it and no it's not in very good shape so I can't offer you a clean copy. Did you notice the phony hypnotism session? He's wearing two different shirts.

I think McGinniss portrayed what he saw or what he learned from Jeff himself. I think if we research, we'll find many murders committed under the influence of amphetemines...Routier, Harris, etc.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog

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too bad about the copy, but at least we have them, right?

i did not buy one second of the hypnotism, nor did i find Helena Stoeckley in the least bit credible. even a short course reading up on hypnotism shows that he was faking, but as one of his character flaws is believing he can outsmart ANYONE, i am not surprised that he agreed to it. in fact, as an MD, he could have gone to great lengths, administering drugs to himself so that he could not *be* hypnotised or affected by sodium amatyl.

the book supposedly exonerating him, Fatal Justice (?) offers up a lot of evidence that was not included in McGinniss' book, but not one piece exonerates MacDonald. while studying to be a paralegal, i read all the books and took voluminous notes, coming to the conclusion of guilt, with the possibility that he did black out and to this day believes himself innocent of the crimes. that's the only ground i will give in his favour.

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I think this was repeated in 1992 on BBC2. I remember watching the start of it in the living room and my sister mentioning the film Fatal Vision which proved his guilt. They interviewed MacDonald who said, as expected, that he wasn't guilty, looking very mournful, too.

We all know, though, that he WAS guilty.

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absolutely guilty. the BBC documentary raised questions that even the most fervent MacDonald supporter had to consider. i no longer have television - i chose the internet instead. if anyone hears of this programme airing again and would be willing to tape it, PLEASE let me know!

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It's available on Hulu Plus right now.

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