I had just finished watching the movie and I couldn't help but read it as a metaphorical way to speak about homossexuality.
Check it out:
Bird(y) = Homossexual
Birdcage = closeted guy
To fly = express your sexuality (freedom)
What do you think?
i think that this is *beep*
i mean...what's the relation between Bird(y) and homossexuality????
ok...it may seems that with their relationship they would be a really nice couple..but.....i don't see any relation between bird and homossexuality
besides...the story of the films isn't going to be changed if you think of them as a homossexual couple!!
it's just my opinion.. i do thought of it as a metaphorical way to speak about homossexuality...but it wasnt this relation tha i've made.....i thought about they sa a couple....that one cared about the other!!
You're right. The story of the film isn't going to change because of it, but you must agree that it gives it a distinct and altogether deeper meanning to the film. And I'm sure it was because of this meaning that Birdy was nominated for The Cannes Film Festival.
Moreover, birds had constantly been associated with homosexuals. For example, the character Angel in X-Men 3 is there to represent gays, and the main theme of Brokeback Mountain is called "The Wings". And there is also "Angels in America".
Think about it.
I think you switched the metaphors. Birds and wings have always been symbols for freedom and escapism. Because of this they 'might' be used for sexual freedom, but they aren't traditional symbols for homosexuality as far as I know. So I don't really think your arguments justify your theory. It's an interesting perspective though.
All that we see or seem. Is it but a dream within a dream?
Please, don't let me be misunderstood.
I'm not saying that every time you see a bird in a movie it means that homosexuality is just around the corner. (otherwise Hitchcock's The Birds would be the gayest movie ever. Lol)
Birds and wings are indeed symbols for freedom and escapism. THEY ARE NOT GAY SYMBOLS. But they're more and more beeing used as a metaphor for sexual freedon.
After all, that's what all gays, either men or women, most seek for.
All of the x-men represent homosexuals, not just angel.
Kramer: ...he was very impressed with what I do.
Elaine: What you do? You don't do anything!
actually the author William Wharton once spoke about that so it does make sense. Also in the film it is apparent that Birdy is in some ways in love with Al, it is just manifested in abstract and metaphorical ways. Birdy is an allegorical story anyhow.
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No, I'm afraid I don't think they're remotely gay.
Cage spends the film lusting after girls and shagging them. Modine is pretty clearly asexual and obsessed by his own private world.
I don't think the filmmakers had such a message in mind as there's no signs of it anywhere in the script. One could equally well find metaphors for anything from a wobbly slantways look at two or three monikers in the film, while ignoring two hours of dialogue.
Sorry but I just don't see it in the slightest.
well, Birdy does have a wet dream about his pet bird (who happens to be female) so I'm not sure "asexual" is *exactly* the right label for him...
just putting that out there. carry on...
You can have that for your opinion if you want, but it's not remotely true. The film and story have nothing to do with homosexuality, they things you listed are just stretching and you can stretch that with absolutely anything, yours happens to be a huge stretch, but if you saw that it's ur interpretation i guess.
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=neobowler
"but if you saw that it's ur interpretation i guess."
yup exactly....it's your personal interpretation...and that's fine...it has validity....but doesn't mean that it's what "it is".
as i said in another thread on this subject:
" no it's not "clearly about being gay"
it just "can" be interpreted in that way...and a reason why it's been labelled as "gay interest" would probably be cos gay people could watch the movie and "identify/connect/relate" with birdy's character..some of his experiences....anything like that..eg for the reason you described: "cage's character just can't figure out why birdy isn't like most other people". And so they could also relate with a friendship they had with a straight guy...and the point where the straight guy accepted that they were different and they stayed friends and things like that
if the movie was "clearly about being gay"...then birdy would have been gay in the movie...or done something "gay"....he doesn't.
there are plenty of other ways that people can be different...and have problems...or anything like that...so plenty of straight people can also relate and identify with either modine's or cage's character and the friendship
So it's not specifically "clearly" about being gay...I don't think. "
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Mike, I don't know where your post is coming from. The word "homophobia" wasn't in this thread at all until you used it.
And as I said in another thread, I think the movie is "of gay interest" because both stars are hot and we see them in various states of undress several times.
"The value of an idea has nothing to do with the honesty of the man expressing it."--Oscar Wilde
GAY? No. Why does someone wanting to "fly away from it all" (escape from reality) have to be gay? This is about someone who can't handle his homelife, then finds VietNam to be an even worse situation. His obsession with flying is just that: Escape
And his best buddy...(also not gay) hates seeing his friend like this. They go way back and he can't bear to see his friend in this condition.
If you use these metaphors as being "gay", I suppose one could take any subject or any film/book, etc (on the human condition) and apply it to homosexuality.
A GREAT film about the frailty of life and how some people just "fold" and some don't. Not a judgment on those who do buckle. Just that we are all different. Modine's character is so very sensitive; his mind finds "flight" as his defense mechanism.
Homo - Phob alert!
shareI think you have "gay" on your mind. Birdy was asexual. Cage's character was clearly, actively heterosexual. Not all man-love is gay.
"When all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail".