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The grade change was pure luck


Yeah, David is a genius hacker and all that.

But what if the school used proper passwords?

Isn't it inconsistent anyway to be meticulous and knowledgeable enough to CHANGE the password every 'couple of weeks', but not make sure it's a PROPER password?

Who taught the school IT guy about passwords? Why does he know about changing it constantly, but not HOW TO CHOOSE A STRONG PASSWORD?

Let's imagine he did.

The password would look like this:

4h20Oa3Wb9nm57sByY

Every password would be similar, it would use both upper-, and lowercase letters and numbers - and it would be LONG.

Would David still have been able to do what he did?

I don't think so. Even a genius hacker can't necessarily just look at a password like that and memorize it instantly, so he can recall it perfectly later.

"PENCIL"? Who the heck chooses such stupid passwords anyway?

I mean, if they are STUPID enough to choose that kind of passwords ('EFFORT', etc.), then why are they CLEVER enough to keep changing it every couple of weeks?

Why even have an outside line in the modem, during times when the computer is not supervised by a human being? Why not just arrange it so that whenever someone wants to call the school computer, there has to be a human present, and they have to first schedule a time for it from someone, who will then be manually answering the call and supervising what's done?

I mean, it's just a school computer in the early eighties, not many people need to call the computer during the daytime, right? What are the reasons why someone would need to call it? Teachers checking grades or whatnot? Why would they need to even do that, when they are going to visit the school every day anyway, and the grading would be done at least half-manually anyway at some point.

I mean, in the early 1980s, they are not going to just let a computer print the grades without ever checking them, are they?

So, the very TECHNICAL side of it is 'plausible', but the social-system-school-human-teacher-principal-factor isn't.

Is a teacher really going to just let Lightman get an A when he clearly just flunked him? Isn't that teacher going to go to the principal and the IT guy and complain about it? Or don't they have a say BEFORE it's printed out, the last minute checks and all that?

I don't think it would ever really work in real life. Teachers would remember Lightman too well, he has a personality, he can't be a bad student who gets an A without the teachers realizing something is wrong.

In any case, David is just lucky that the school is so inconsistently clever and stupid at the same time - what are the odds, huh?

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They didn't use "strong" passwords in those days.

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They didn't use "strong" passwords in those days.

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They really didn't have any need for strong passwords in those days. Few people had computers at home, and even fewer had modems. And the fact that he'd have to somehow find the computer phone number and the password in order to do anything probably seemed to be secure enough. Remember, most people in the early 80s, even if they had the equipment available to do what David did, were not computer savvy enough to pull it off.

However, even if they did use strong passwords, like the ones you suggested, they would still need to write it down somewhere at the computer station so that authorized users could find it. While he didn't have enough time to write it down in the scene in the movie, I would think eventually he would have enough time to write down a long multiple character password. Where there's a will, there's always a way.

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Lightman gave himeself a C, not an A. Less obvious. He gave the girl an A.

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This was the early 80s, home computers weren't as prevalent as they are now. The idea of someone accessing the school's computer from outside of the school were so minuscule that no one even bothered to think about it.

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I am sorry to say but both my middle school and high school districts used shared passwords for everything and it was always something simple because teachers kept forgetting the complicated ones. It was usually like SchoolMascotYear.

When they were experimenting with extra security like strong passwords, teachers couldn't remember them so they'd usually write it down on a post-it somewhere near by.

The way grade recording worked at my old schools was they were manually calculated offline (excel or whatever). At the end of each semester the teachers would submit the final grades to the admin office using some sort of networked app. Once at that office they'd print the report cards and mail them out.

The teachers never get sent a copy of what the admin office printed out. So there is never any final verification. It's a small window of opportunity, but it existed.

This is from the early 90's so not the same time period, but the lazy, absent minded human behavior aspect still existed.

At the end of my senior year I did electronically change my grade in Spanish from a D to a C otherwise I wouldn't have graduated. I'm no genius, just exploited stupid security practices.

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Let me just ask how old were you in 1983? It seems that you don't have a clear understanding of computer culture in that time period. Maybe you do but I'm seriously skeptical.

A couple friends of mine and myself were very much into the BBS and hacking culture in the late 80s and I can tell you that everything in the movie is beyond 'plausible.' Default passwords, weak passwords and people leaving what is normally secure information in plain sight weren't just plausible, it was the norm. And social engineering? Mostly a joke to accomplish.

There's a number of resources out there about hacking in the 80s from guys who pulled of some serious hacks. Sure, you had to do research, you weren't just going to fall into it but it wasn't rocket science and if you found people who were willing to mentor you there wasn't that much research to do.

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